?IDOMYFISTedGrant.OrgCMI?

[kinetikos]

Can someone or somebodies clear all this up?

What exactly is IDOM? CMI? YFIS? Just how closely is Ted Grant associated?

Did I get all the letters right? Are there any more? And let me know if there is a US "branch".

Thanks

PS. Who amongst the posters are with what exactly?

[turnoviseous]

In Defense Of Marxism, Committee for Marxist International, Youth For International Socialism... next questions I don´t understand...sorry...try again :D

[Red Student]

I think he is asking about the nature of these organizations and not their full names.

[turnoviseous]

Well, you can check about In Defense Of Marxism on http://www.marxist.com about YFIS on http://www.newyouth.com about CMI, well I won´t say much, here is one page, I believe it does not need clarification http://www.broadleft.org/trotskyi.htm

[proletarianrevo]

What exactly is IDOM? CMI? YFIS? Just how closely is Ted Grant associated?

IDOM stand for In Defence of Marxism (http://www.marxist.com), and is the website which publishes the analysis of the international marxist tendency, on a dayly basis.
Ted Grant is the founder of the tendency, so to say. He joined the trotskyist movement in the late 20's and the IDOM-tendency traces its roots back to the British section of the 4. international, which during the second world war and in the post-war period, fought to keep the banner of geniuine Trotskyism alive.
Ted Grant remains an actve supporter of the tendency.

The YFIS stands for Youth For International Socialism, and it is the youth organization and youth website of the American supporters of the IDOM-Tendency.

And let me know if there is a US "branch".

Yes there is. It is the Workers International League (http://www.socialistappeal.org) and WIL's youth organisation is the Youth For International Socialism (and this is their boards!).

PS. Who amongst the posters are with what exactly? [/B]

Please specify/explain this question, as I dont understand it at all.


I Recommend that you read the following articles, as they will answer/clarify the questions you raised:

History of British Trotskyism
The IDOM Summer School 2003
Our 10th year anniversary
About the WIL

[marx_was_right]

Who amongst the posters are with what exactly?

I think the question is, which comrades on this forum are connected with the CMI/YFIS etc?

I am an active supporter of the organisations, I am a member of

Socialist Appeal the UK section of the CMI

[T.K.A.-Denmark]

Yes im an active supporter too.
Just in Denmark were we publish the magazine Socialistisk Standpunkt

Anyway you can find some of the groups here http://www.marxist.com/links.asp

Comradely
Teis

[kinetikos]

Thanks everyone.

Let me try and summarize:

IDOM stand for In Defence of Marxism (http://www.marxist.com), and is the website which publishes the analysis of the international marxist tendency, on a dayly basis.

Ted Grant is the founder of the tendency, so to say. He joined the trotskyist movement in the late 20's and the IDOM-tendency traces its roots back to the British section of the 4. international, which during the second world war and in the post-war period, fought to keep the banner of geniuine Trotskyism alive.
Ted Grant remains an actve supporter of the tendency.

So IDOM is IMT is CMI is YFIS is WIL is Socialist Appeal (UK) is Socialist Appeal (US)?

IDOM is the website of the IMT aka CMI which is Ted Grant's organization (so to say). And YFIS is the youth organization of WIL which is the American branch of the IDOM/IMT/CMI tendency. The WIL has a website too, it's website is called socialistappeal.org; and there is of course a Socialist Appeal in the UK which is a section of the CMI/IDOM/IMT...

This is a fucking mess. And these are only the US-UK elements of the I in CMI/IMT.

What is the purpose of this? Not to be rude, but it's like sects within sects!

Again, what is the purpose of all this? Is it a holdover from the splintered past? You look at the "History of British Trotskyism", and you can take anybody's writing of this history, Cliff's, Grant's.. whoever... and you come away shaking your head at the utter disarray! You want more? Look at the History of Trotskyism on an international scale! Which is the whole idea anyway. International unity.

What in the hell is going on? Why would you make all of this confusion worse by playing this jumble game especially when you've just told me that these IDOM/IMT/YFIS/CMI/SA(US)SA(US)/ are one and the same (excepting possibly the need to designate "youth" sections)?

BTW, about these "youth" sections" what the hell is the point? Can someone define "youth"?

Exasperated but hopeful,

Ryan

[roodzwijntje]

What is the purpose of this? Not to be rude, but it's like sects within sects!

I don't really see your point. What's so strange about an international Marxist tendency? It's no more than logical to have different branches. Comrades are spread all over the world. So yes, there is a separate American organisation, Socialist Appeal, just like there is the British Socialist Appeal. I for one am a member of Vonk, the Belgian section of the tendency affiliated to Marxist.com. Or should we just dissolve ourselves and simply tell "we are members of Marxist.com"? You seem to question the principles of being organised in an International, which consists of national sections. Yes, we have an international website, mainly in English, but also for a great part in Spanish. Yes, the different national sections have separate websites and papers, each in their own national language.
Hope this makes things a bit clear.

[turnoviseous]

Hey Kinetikos,

Right on contrary to your believes, IDOM tendency is probably most coherent Trotskyist tendency, as far as I know...

About YFIS confusion, you can check out this thread...its about this issue...

http://discussion.newyouth.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=216

[Red Student]

Originally posted by kinetikos
Again, what is the purpose of all this? Is it a holdover from the splintered past? You look at the....

I don't think you understand the relation of these different parts, they might have different names because they are not parties or formal organization. I myself was bewildered by the different names at first, but now I just go to the Marxist.com website to check the articles from all the different local organizations.

by the way there is also unity:
Venezuela - Unification of the revolutionary currents El Topo Obrero and El Militante