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« on: December 16, 2003, 12:02:47 PM »

Let's make some sort of daily flip-calendar thing with a quote for every day (credit given to hulaoguan at 3kingdoms.net for this idea).  I shall start with this truthful classic:

December 16, 2003

"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."
-Karl Marx
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2003, 12:28:57 PM »

hey well theres too many for just one a day =) so can i add another? :)

'From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.'

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2003, 12:49:00 PM »

"Of course! Who does not want peace? But the question is: how do we get it? How is a genuine and lasting peace to be achieved? The only way to get peace is by dealing with the real problems facing the people in their everyday lives."

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2003, 12:57:19 PM »

Ok this one is by Esteban Volkov who is Trotsky's grandson.
He is talking about Trotsky's death.

It always reminds me of the behaviour of the great Stalinist "heroes" compared with how the Trotskyists have fought and died under the bullets of the GPU shouting "Long Live Lenin and Trotsky!" and singing the Internationale.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2003, 01:00:17 PM »

Yeah I remember that, he was talking about Trotsky's assassin, Jackson, I beleive? The way he cowered and sobbed as he was seized by gaurds.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2003, 03:42:53 PM »

I don't want to take time to write this long one down, so I will put it here:

"All religion, however, is nothing but the fantastic reflection in men's minds of those external forces which control their daily life, a reflection in which the terrestrial forces assume the form of supernatural forces. In the beginnings of history it was the forces of nature which were first so reflected, and which in the course of further evolution underwent the most manifold and varied personifications among the various peoples. This early process has been traced back by comparative mythology, at least in the case of the Indo-European peoples, to its origin in the Indian Vedas, and in its further evolution it has been demonstrated in detail among the Indians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Germans and, so far as material is available, also among the Celts, Lithuanians and Slavs. But it is not long before, side by side with the forces of nature, social forces begin to be active — forces which confront man as equally alien and at first equally inexplicable, dominating him with the same apparent natural necessity as the forces of nature themselves. The fantastic figures, which at first only reflected the mysterious forces of nature, at this point acquire social attributes, become representatives of the forces of history. *16 At a still further stage of evolution, all the natural and social attributes of the numerous gods are transferred to one almighty god, who is but a reflection of the abstract man. Such was the origin of monotheism, which was historically the last product of the vulgarised philosophy of the later Greeks and found its incarnation in the exclusively national god of the Jews, Jehovah. In this convenient, handy and universally adaptable form, religion can continue to exist as the immediate, that is, the sentimental form of men's relation to the alien, natural and social, forces which dominate them, so long as men remain under the control of these forces. However, we have seen repeatedly that in existing bourgeois society men are dominated by the economic conditions created by themselves, by the means of production which they themselves have produced, as if by an alien force. The actual basis of the religious reflective activity therefore continues to exist, and with it the religious reflection itself. And although bourgeois political economy has given a certain insight into the causal connection of this alien domination, this makes no essential difference. Bourgeois economics can neither prevent crises in general, nor protect the individual capitalists from losses, bad debts and bankruptcy, nor secure the individual workers against unemployment and destitution. It is still true that man proposes and God (that is, the alien domination of the capitalist mode of production) disposes. Mere knowledge, even if it went much further and deeper than that of bourgeois economic science, is not enough to bring social forces under the domination of society. What is above all necessary for this, is a social act. And when this act has been accomplished, when society, by taking possession of all means of production and using them on a planned basis, has freed itself and all its members from the bondage in which they are now held by these means of production which they themselves have produced but which confront them as an irresistible alien force, when therefore man no longer merely proposes, but also disposes — only then will the last alien force which is still reflected in religion vanish; and with it will also vanish the religious reflection itself, for the simple reason that then there will be nothing left to reflect."
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2003, 08:16:38 PM »

It not a marxist qoute but its still damn good and very relevent to the times considering what George the II has been doing.

Beware the leader who bangs the drum of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor. For patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and patriotism, will offer up all of their rights to the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Julius Caesar.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2003, 08:56:02 PM »

American patriotism is so much bullshit.  There exists no patriotism, when the place you live in is being invaded than you can say your a patriot.  But crap like "support our troops" and "I'm proud to be an American" is put by those people who won't fight in the unjust war in Iraq.  Easy to be patriotic while sitting at home.  Remember, the worker has no country.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2003, 10:03:58 PM »

Men make their own history, but they don´t make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weights like an nightmare on the brains of the living. Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2003, 11:59:26 AM »

Let the imperialists enjoy their moment of triumph. It will not last for long. A new nightmare is about to begin, not only for the Iraqis but also for the people of Britain, the USA and the other countries that have got stuck in this bloody quagmire. Having sown the winds, imperialism will reap a whirlwind.

http://www.marxist.com editorialstatement on the capture of Saddam.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2003, 12:17:52 AM »

" We ourselves, the workers, will organize large-scale production on the basis of what capitalism has already created, relying on our own experience as workers, establishingthe strictest, iron discipline supported by the state power of the armed workers; we will reduce the role of the state officals to that of simply carrying out our instruction as responsible, revocable, modestly paid "foremand and bookkeeprs. "

Lenin, The State and Revolution
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2003, 03:38:18 PM »

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It not a marxist qoute but its still damn good and very relevent to the times considering what George the II has been doing.
 


Well, the quotes don't have to be Marxist as long as they get a good message across!:)

A Quote for December 18, 2003 CE

"If pure reason and justice have not, hitherto, ruled the world, this has been the case only because men have not rightly understood them."

-Engels, from Socialism:  Utopian and Scientific
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2003, 05:29:50 PM »

"Whereas revolutionary Marxism represents the most conscious thinking part of the working class, Economism and all the other schools of reformism personify a different and opposite part of its anatomy."

   - Alan Woods
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2003, 08:13:11 AM »

' No man has the right to more than another because we are all equal, of the same species and condition, equal amongst ourselves, with equal right to enjoy the fruits of nature...'

John Locke
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2003, 05:06:26 PM »

"......at least in Europe, England is the only country where the inevitable social revolution might be effected entirely by peaceful and legal means. He ( Marx) certainly never forgot to add that he hardly expected the English ruling classes to submit, without a 'pro slavery rebellion', to this peaceful and legal revolution.
Frederick Engels nov 5, 1886.
Preface to Capital, English translation.
Worth a thought , eh?
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