OOTN,
I found the book. I'm reading it. Of course the SEP (which broke from the WRP long ago) has their own take on this... as do all the other tendencies/sects/groups/whatevers.
The HOBM is truly a $#%^ mess, agreed.
We can investigate all of this stuff (and I'd be happy to if you would like to), or we can look at the things each of these groups are saying now and evaluate those things.
I find the wsws to be by far the best analysis I have come across -- having limited time, being human and all. But this doesn't mean I haven't found some things there troubling, especially lately with their entry/endorsement re the California recall... I think I've mentioned that somewhere here before.
Anyway, thanks for pointing me to the Grant/Sewell stuff.
Every Trotskyist sect is a sin. Why can't they just work together? Someone should arrange a "committee for the unification of the revolutionary Left" or something where all the sectarians could sit down and discuss their differences and arrive at agreements.
Well, that'd be nice, but it's kind of hard when you get knee-jerk reaction rather than a principled point by point discussion of the differences. No?
The workers can organise themselves into a class independent party only after they become class conscious, until then if you are to take the position of a communist your current task is to reach the masses with your revolutionary ideas and solutions. Calling for an independent party at this stage is madness, surely when you see 20+ other ‘workers parties’ shouting the same thing about their own group you would start to wake up and realise that?
Okay then you just let me know when the coast is clear. I wouldn't want to suggest that we start moving in that direction, oh no. Why that might get things going!
...taking up their independent political position as soon as possible by not allowing themselves to be misled by the hypocritical phrases of the democratic petty bourgeoisie into doubting for one minute the necessity of an independently organized party of the proletariat - Madness and Evil
surely when you see 20+ other ‘workers parties’ shouting the same thing about their own group you would start to wake up and realise that?
Surely if there are 20+ groups calling for the same thing then there is a strong call... and "what needs to be done" is that the groups each have their positions honesly looked at. To see, as des suggests, who is right and who is wrong and if the issues are so fundemental that there is "nothing that can be done"... also to see clearly who is absolutely full of shit and in it simply to prove they are right (the underlying symptom of a truly sectarian mind).
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