Parental Use of "Reasonable" Force

[dsprox]

I was raised by spanking. I was also reassured that I was loved. But i was not reasoned with. Reasoning and negotiating with children show them that they can bend you around and get away with things. Trust me I am related to kids who were reasoned with. They took advantage of that real fast. They were also never spanked. Now they have horrable behavior problems and don't listen to their parents. Think about it, a kid doesn't want to get spanked, so when they get told they are getting spanked for doing "this", they don't do "this" anymore, "this" being something wrong. Trust me, spanking with reassurance is a sure-fire way to punish a kid.

[T.K.A.-Denmark]

Well I was raised the other way and it worked out pretty good.
Besides from that it learned me to think for myself, something that spanking never does.
In my oppinion spanking only shows the parents inability to raise a child properly.

[dsprox]

Spanking is only a last resort.

[T.K.A.-Denmark]

Spanking is only a last resort

For people who shouldn't be allowed to have kids.
Intelligent people can raise a child without spanking

[dsprox]

Are you Implying that my parents are stupid?

[Miestermatt]

As this continues comrades we will only get nowhere DEAD DEBATE DEAD DEBATE DEAD DEBATE DEAD DEBATE DEAD DEBATE DEAD DEBATE

[T.K.A.-Denmark]

Are you Implying that my parents are stupid?

Well they have a anger problem if they spank you...

[Vespucci]

Furthermore, WHY does being hit stop you repeating something? Because it hurts you. If your morals are dependent on getting hurt if you do something wrong, what happens when you do something wrong and nobody finds out? Since your moral system will be so specific by then, the lack of punishment will just encourage the repetition of this wrong. And it will be entirely the fault of resorting to spanking children, instead of engendering an all-round moral system that comes from inside and needs nobody bending you over a chair with a belt to ensure you behave yourself.

And on top of that, who gets hit? YOU. If your idea of doing something bad is so self-centred, what if you did something bad and SOMEONE ELSE got hurt? You wouldn't care. Why would you? After all, it's them and not you. And that, comrades, sounds exactly like the thinking of a capitalist to me.

[Volkov]

Originally posted by dsprox
I was raised by spanking. I was also reassured that I was loved. But i was not reasoned with. Reasoning and negotiating with children show them that they can bend you around and get away with things. Trust me I am related to kids who were reasoned with. They took advantage of that real fast. They were also never spanked. Now they have horrable behavior problems and don't listen to their parents. Think about it, a kid doesn't want to get spanked, so when they get told they are getting spanked for doing "this", they don't do "this" anymore, "this" being something wrong. Trust me, spanking with reassurance is a sure-fire way to punish a kid.

I was also raised by physcial punisment, and I suffered from things like low self-esteem, fear and resentment of parents, and high amounts of impatience.  Sure, I stopped misbehaving at home, but when I was not at home, I could get around the system and misbehave, for my parents were not there.

[Daymare17]

Originally posted by dsprox
I was raised by spanking.

And look where it got you. You're a ridiculously religious, incoherent, ignorant, indoctrinated, marvellously reactionary red-baiter.

That's a major argument against spanking!

[dsprox]

Well they have a anger problem if they spank you...

MY parents are kind loving people. they don't have problems.

Furthermore, WHY does being hit stop you repeating something? Because it hurts you. If your morals are dependent on getting hurt if you do something wrong, what happens when you do something wrong and nobody finds out? Since your moral system will be so specific by then, the lack of punishment will just encourage the repetition of this wrong. And it will be entirely the fault of resorting to spanking children, instead of engendering an all-round moral system that comes from inside and needs nobody bending you over a chair with a belt to ensure you behave yourself.

Yes, it hurts thats why you stop. If I did something bad to someone else I also got spanked and felt bad and sorry for them.
My parents told me it was wrong to do these bad things anytime, ESPECIALY when they weren't there. They told me it was very bad. When I was little and still today, If I do something bad behind their backs or at all generaly I feel ashamed, because the taught me, and I know, that I can do better than that.

I was also raised by physcial punisment, and I suffered from things like low self-esteem, fear and resentment of parents, and high amounts of impatience. Sure, I stopped misbehaving at home, but when I was not at home, I could get around the system and misbehave, for my parents were not there.

Did your parents say that they love you? that they were trying to help? It will make you a better person? Of course you can get away with things when they aren't there. but they should have taught you it is wrong, and you should understand it.

And look where it got you. You're a ridiculously religious, incoherent, ignorant, indoctrinated, marvellously reactionary red-baiter.

incoherent, i guess I am without harmony, or unable to complete thoughts. Ignorant, tisk tisk, I have read most of the other threads to and when I read them ignorance abounds. I am by no means ignorant. red-baiter? Am I the one accusing  denouncing or attacking people? I am afraid you are the red-baiter.