Dialectical Materialism

[Ted0512]

What exactly is Dialectical Materialism, I've read a little bit about it, but I just can't figure it out. Could you guys help explain it to me?

[JJM 777]

I know what is materialism. Madonna sings about a material girl.

What dialectical is idunno.

[brayen]

Dialectic materialism is the result of marx's materialist studies  of the history..in this theory and in  philosophical way, matter came before our thinkings ..and opposed on what we call idealism philosophy..+it talks about the evolution of the human society ..and..dunno..that's what i can explain in englsih..but still not sure of my informations so please can someone help us understanding better ?

[Paula Marx]

Marx thinks world is only material, but he is still against positivism. Materialism realistic explains everything to masses, but we should think deeper, not only in that (material) way. I don't know how can Marx, who invented part of an Ideology, deny it's an ideology?

I wouldn't say I completely agree with him - I think the mind is the only thing that's real and everything is just how we make it.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

I have written a very basic introduction to this theory, for absolute beginners, along with a refutation of its core ideas, here:

http://anti-dialectics.co.uk/Anti-D_For_Dummies%2001.htm

Or you can check these threads out at this site:

http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php/topic,2270.0.html

http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php/topic,1441.0.html

http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php/topic,2622.0.html

http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php/topic,2211.0.html

http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php/topic,2287.0.html

http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php/topic,2175.0.html

http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php/topic,2421.0.html

http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php/topic,2137.0.html

http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php/topic,2145.0.html

[JJM 777]

Just a quick quote from start of the page for dummies:

> The universe...is not the creation of any supernatural being, is in the process of constant flux
> [i.e., change -- RL]. Human beings are a part of nature, and evolved from lower forms of life,
> whose origins sprung from a lifeless planet some 3.6 billion or so years ago.

OK so the Diaphragmatic Materialism is a philosophy of religious nature. Or non-religious or anti-religious, if you prefer to say so. Many Communist countries have indeed been harsh against religion, religious people had a tough time under USSR or China some 50 years ago. North Korea is still today imprisoning any religious persons to a lifetime in work camps -- just because they are religious.

It is unnecessary, more harmful than beneficial, for the state leaders to act as if they know the Truth about religion, God etc. They don't know religious truths better than anyone else, or what are they, Prophets or what? Let everyone believe what they want. Marx and Rosa can believe what they want, and I will believe what I want. I will not even tell what I believe, maybe I change my mind and tomorrow believe something else than today.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

^^^When you learn to post something coherent, get back to me.

[JJM 777]

One coherent thing is total separation of state politics and religion (including atheism). I am here to discuss politics, and therefore I keep quiet about religion or atheism here. I don't mix the two, bad things have happened when Communist states have done so.

If Marx has written something what appears to be (anti-)religious doctrine meant for all workers to adopt as their (anti-)religion, then it is partly his fault not to have understood what a disaster it leads to when the state leaders start treating such doctrines as the official and only allowed truth.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

But what has that got to do with this thread?

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Paula:

I wouldn't say I completely agree with him - I think the mind is the only thing that's real and everything is just how we make it.

In other words, you think the material world is just an idea? How does that make you any different from, say, a Christian Scientist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Christ,_Scientist

[Paula Marx]

Paula:

I wouldn't say I completely agree with him - I think the mind is the only thing that's real and everything is just how we make it.

In other words, you think the material world is just an idea? How does that make you any different from, say, a Christian Scientist?

I don't believe in God. He's only a Christian metaphor.

[JJM 777]

Discussion about existence, religion, purpose of life etc. because they are unprovable questions outside of the reach of science, you just believe in something and nobody can prove you right or wrong. That is why the state should keep its fingers off the topic.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Paula Marx:

I don't believe in God. He's only a Christian metaphor.

Maybe so, but there does not seem to be much difference between your ideas and those of the christian mystics I mentioned.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

JJM:

Discussion about existence, religion, purpose of life etc. because they are unprovable questions outside of the reach of science, you just believe in something and nobody can prove you right or wrong. That is why the state should keep its fingers off the topic.

It's not a question of proof; religious dogma, for example, is far to vague and confused for anyone to be able to say whether it can be proved or refuted.

[Paula Marx]

Paula Marx:

I don't believe in God. He's only a Christian metaphor.

Maybe so, but there does not seem to be much difference between your ideas and those of the christian mystics I mentioned.

Well, I can find a bit of myself in almost every ideology, less or more, but if I agree with something doesn't mean I'm part of that.
I don't have anything against religions, even they're only dogmas. It is impossible to know about every idea which is made in the world, but I guess every each of them has something good inside.