Are liberals and socialist fake in the US?

[fire_mat99]

Why are liberals and socialist in the US so patriotic and when talking to them they say I'm anti- American? Why do liberals and socialist in the world have no problems being anti-American and putting the American flag on fire?

Why is being anti- American bad? I don't think liberals and socialist think has race of people they are inferior but moslty are mad at the US empire  ( digging it self into other countries problem ) and that moslty Americans are brainwashed by the media and government not say the schools.I mean go back before ww2 and the US hated wars and even with big wars in world the US did not want to go into war.The US mentality before ww2 where cowards and after ww2 to now like cowboys.

I mean that look at the big picture through out the world history there are countries that get big fat and rich and control other countries the US of cowboys mentality .Look at Roman empire ,Spaniards ,British empire, USSR ,Japanese so on.When countries get big and fat and rich like this they behave in barbaric and uncivilized way and use of force.


I mean really if the US had GDP like Mexico and had small weak army and got into wars every 40 to 50 years than every 5 or 10 years and every thing was traded in Canadian dollar.And Canada had a big army and got in wars every 5 or 10 years and had the army all over the world ( army base in almost every country ) not say CIA ,DEA  ,FBI all over the world than the tide world turn to being anti-Canadian .Not to say big Canadian hollywood. I mean people knowe more about the US than their own country or other countries in the world !!! Why through hollywood and US propaganda !!!


Also note other weak countries with low GDP it more morally acceptable to have evile government  ,sweatshops  ,bad healthcare , the poor no healthcare and rich very good healthcare , evile court system ,big prison poulation , not safe work conditions and police brutality , government for the rich and big businesses. So yes when rich country like Canada  ,US and UK and US who portray has being run by god way of life than devile way of life like above people are very anti-American .Has this is not morally acceptable and what the devile would run the country like.

[Christopher Hill]

Why are liberals and socialist in the US so patriotic and when talking to them they say I'm anti- American? Why do liberals and socialist in the world have no problems being anti-American and putting the American flag on fire?

Why is being anti- American bad? I don't think liberals and socialist think has race of people they are inferior but moslty are mad at the US empire  ( digging it self into other countries problem ) and that moslty Americans are brainwashed by the media and government not say the schools.I mean go back before ww2 and the US hated wars and even with big wars in world the US did not want to go into war.The US mentality before ww2 where cowards and after ww2 to now like cowboys.

I mean that look at the big picture through out the world history there are countries that get big fat and rich and control other countries the US of cowboys mentality .Look at Roman empire ,Spaniards ,British empire, USSR ,Japanese so on.When countries get big and fat and rich like this they behave in barbaric and uncivilized way and use of force.


I mean really if the US had GDP like Mexico and had small weak army and got into wars every 40 to 50 years than every 5 or 10 years and every thing was traded in Canadian dollar.And Canada had a big army and got in wars every 5 or 10 years and had the army all over the world ( army base in almost every country ) not say CIA ,DEA  ,FBI all over the world than the tide world turn to being anti-Canadian .Not to say big Canadian hollywood. I mean people knowe more about the US than their own country or other countries in the world !!! Why through hollywood and US propaganda !!!


Also note other weak countries with low GDP it more morally acceptable to have evile government  ,sweatshops  ,bad healthcare , the poor no healthcare and rich very good healthcare , evile court system ,big prison poulation , not safe work conditions and police brutality , government for the rich and big businesses. So yes when rich country like Canada  ,US and UK and US who portray has being run by god way of life than devile way of life like above people are very anti-American .Has this is not morally acceptable and what the devile would run the country like.

The issue is that Liberals have always been very patriotic, they are really no different than the Conservatives on this aspect and indeed they are the same in most ways, as for the Socialists, this is an interesting issue, and one that has been rampant throughout the years. Further complicating things is the fact that likely included under the term "Socialists" are many people who really only use the term without any knowledge of theory, or else are really not Socialists at all (Think Social Democrats) Social-Chauvinism has been going on since at least the days of the first international, and is in no way limited to America, but the issue with American Social-Chauvinists could perhaps be that the patriotism of Socialists in smaller countries is not always at odds with the good of the international movement, while American ambitions usually are.

[Paula Marx]

Communists aren't anti-patriots, that's just idiotic.

I have already said that I don't understand "American patriots" at all, but I wouldn't generalize and call all of them fake. I bet there are still few socialists. USA has always been pure capitalist country, since 18th century, when it became independent and that's why I think there are still real communists. Not all Americans are stupid. In the country of communism it's hard to be a real communist, while it's, I'd say, very simple in imperialism and fascism.

[fire_mat99]

I think the problem is that in Europe and South America they have a social democrats party ,labour Party and Socialist party so they are more left.But the US does not have this.Also American hispanics , people from Europe and south America are more anti-America .I find liberals and socialist in the US are more patriotic and try not to sound that their country is evile.

Many liberals and socialist say the root problem is ruling class the government, capitalist ,CEO and I'm being anti-the working class.It true but still the working class are all most has bad has the ruling class being so so so so so brainwashed.

In the US I find conservatives and libertarian are viewed as a god and saying bad things  ,questioning the ruling class is un-american so is conspiracy stuff!! But get left party in just left liberal or social democrat party and they have no problem questioning them or having conspiracy stuff or saying bad things.

In poll 80% of people in US are anti- universal healthcare. Most all industrial countries have universal healthcare.
http://freerangetalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/universal_healthcare.png


Also in poll I think it was 70% or 80% where anti-big goverment !!! What is up with that.Also American are so anti-stimulus money too and bail out!!! Well that just not the tone in Canada or Europe .

In Canada or Europe there is no problem if the government spends money.And if the government steps in and control market no problem in Canada or Europe but a big problem in US.They scream so loud we have USSR type of style.

Just makes be want to vomit.

[Jimi4444]

I think the problem is that in Europe and South America they have a social democrats party ,labour Party and Socialist party so they are more left.But the US does not have this.Also American hispanics , people from Europe and south America are more anti-America .I find liberals and socialist in the US are more patriotic and try not to sound that their country is evile.

Many liberals and socialist say the root problem is ruling class the government, capitalist ,CEO and I'm being anti-the working class.It true but still the working class are all most has bad has the ruling class being so so so so so brainwashed.

In the US I find conservatives and libertarian are viewed as a god and saying bad things  ,questioning the ruling class is un-american so is conspiracy stuff!! But get left party in just left liberal or social democrat party and they have no problem questioning them or having conspiracy stuff or saying bad things.

In poll 80% of people in US are anti- universal healthcare. Most all industrial countries have universal healthcare.
http://freerangetalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/universal_healthcare.png


Also in poll I think it was 70% or 80% where anti-big goverment !!! What is up with that.Also American are so anti-stimulus money too and bail out!!! Well that just not the tone in Canada or Europe .

In Canada or Europe there is no problem if the government spends money.And if the government steps in and control market no problem in Canada or Europe but a big problem in US.They scream so loud we have USSR type of style.

Just makes be want to vomit.

I will agree with you on one point, the lack of a genuine workers party in the States. Unfortunately we have only two parties, who are tools of the ruling class. This has brought about tons of confusion, like people thinking that the democrats are the "lesser of two evils." This cannot last forever, and the workers will inevitably get their own party. Democrats are showing for everyone to see that they are really no different than the Republicans. But other than that brief introduction, your WAY off on the rest. How am I being patriotic? I clearly state that I"m 100 percent against US Imperialism, but I explain how it's not the working class we should hate, but the RULING CLASS in the United States. Which clearly you are having a hard time comprehending. What are you trying to achieve by saying all Americans are right wing "libertarians"? If Marxists did that we would only isolate ourselves from the masses and socialist revolution WOULD never happen. Luckily you're not correct on the general mood of the population. Which I find completely mind blowing because in the past few years few countries have actually moved more to the LEFT than the US.

You should really check your sources, most Americans ARE in favor of Universal Healthcare. Big government is quite a general statement. If by big government they mean giving money to the capitalists than I'm also against it! I can't stress it enough, you really need to do MORE research on the topic. YFIS is a tool for helping people build politically, not to just post false comments about how "stupid" Americans are. We have an amazing revolutionary history, but if you just close your mind and don't see it you'll continue to be lost.

[fire_mat99]

But other than that brief introduction, your WAY off on the rest. How am I being patriotic? I clearly state that I"m 100 percent against US Imperialism, but I explain how it's not the working class we should hate, but the RULING CLASS in the United States[/b]

It comes down to my faith base on reading message boards,chat rooms and the news I do not believe 5% are left .

Show me a source by CNN that 25 % support universal healthcare and 20% are anti-free-market or losing faith in the free-market than we can talk.Show me a source that 20% want welfare and minimum wage to go up.

It comes down to my faith that 95% will NOT vote any Socialist party or social democrats party in office.It comes down to your faith that the working class is more left.



It true not all are conservatives and libertarian in fact 50% are democrat party and 50% republican party base on election and American has been alway divided.We could easy have civil war today.BUT I SAY again base on my faith ( reading message boards,chat rooms and the news) the US is 50% center and 50% right wing.No left or far left or radical views and I stand by that.

I would love to be wrong and if there was source by CNN or census not some jack pot blog or web site that points out that Americans are more left or moving to the left.I do not even read the news any more or watch CNN do to the US healthcare debate this past month makes me sick.


What are you trying to achieve by saying all Americans are right wing "libertarians"?

I don't think all Americans are conservatives or libertarian it just big number that gives everyone a bad name and the other big number who are center than left wing that hold the US down.


If Marxists did that we would only isolate ourselves from the masses and socialist revolution WOULD never happen. Luckily you're not correct on the general mood of the population. Which I find completely mind blowing because in the past few years few countries have actually moved more to the LEFT than the US.

That me tell you some thing Russia was run by kings and landowners it was a articulture society and people where dirt poor and police had no problem shooting at peaceful protesters so they started a revolution to have everyone run and control things  by the people. Now Cuba had very bad literacy it was run by dictator and the mob every where .If you where black person you where trash so yes a revolution started .

The US is no where like that or the 20's and 30's .Also in the past was pure capitalism we do not have pure capitalism now.In fact ruling class is changing all the type when comes to social programs ,wages and level of free-market just to keep people non militant.


Look at the 60's the civil rights movement and the 1992 LA riot and you say your country is left it is more like fascism to have these views.Look at the police and the court system when comes to non-white who does crime today how much more jail time they get.

Look at hollywood how most actors today are still white and most blod hair with small number who are black..Why such rich country you have such high prison puplution , lack of universal healthcare and lack of social programs??[/size]

[fire_mat99]

Jimi4444 use to be big poster here but does not seem to post at this web site much?