New year grate for science and technology bad for social reform.

[fire_mat99]

New year grate for science and technology bad for social reform.Obama yes we can , hope and change !! Fox news watch out for Obama do not elected him he going to tax the rich and business !!  He is big supporter of Unversal heathcare and have posters of Che Guevara.Watch out for Obama he is anti- rich and anti- business and supports wealth distribution and too much for the poor and  welfare state !!!News flash 2009 is gone yes 2009 is gone and Obama true color are showing !!! That see what he did in  2009 .

---war in Iraq and Afghanistan still going on and no talk on coming home.

---Talk on  Unversal heathcare doing the elections has shifted to that bring out a plan now so the poor has access to heath insurance

---Talk on taxing the rich and businesses ( want a joke just talk to get in )  In fact he is taxing the small businesses and businesses not doing well and supporting the big businesses and big corporations.

---Talk on wealth distribution and welfare state ( still waiting for this fox news

--- Better relations with Venezuela ,Cuba and Russia I have yet to see this.

---For the environment and getting of coal,gas and oil want a joke ( He is doing none of this )

---I don't seem him supporting hydrogen cars or electric cars like the green peace

 

Now you see he is a conservative with fake image he was a left wing savior of greed and corruptions.

Wow want a year !! Thanks 2009 only science and technology moving up the ladder and well social reform has been frozen from 70's to now. That see 70 to 80 that 10 years , 80  to 90 that 10 years , 90 to 2000 that 10 years and 2000 to 2010 that 10 year that is 40 years !!! Yes 40 years in time bubble where is captain Kirk that is going get us unstuck ? Got love Richard Nixon for is anti- communism talk and wars on communism almost starting ww3 !!  Got love Vietnam War .war on drugs  ,large prison population and large goverment debt.

[fire_mat99]

In light of this and talk on CNN this weak not to say the remarks about Obama doing election I strongly believe the US will never never never   be any where close to a socialist country ( the people  in the US are more conservative Democratic and ultra conservative  republican

[Jimi4444]

Democrats and Republicans are really the same, just in theory some differences on social issues (which can be argued if they really exist). Democrats have always been portrayed as the "big government" party, even though Bush increased the government more than any other president when he was in office. What the Obamamania did bring about that was a real change, was bring a good section of the working class into the political arena. Also what is profound was it was on a platform of "change". Which should disprove a lot of anti-American feelings felt around the world.

Historically (at least since the economic boom) American workers have been more conservative, compared to other countries. This has to do a lot with the post WWII boom, which up until the 70s was continuing to improve the life of ordinary citizens. It was not progressive, but through the mass amount of money the capitalists were making of the destruction in WWII, they could give the working class people some reforms to calm the masses. Also they used the media and other resources to build this anti-communist hysteria, which can be found a lot during the McCarthy era and continued throughout the cold war.

I wouldn't make such strong claims such as "the USA will not be a socialist country", which you have to look at the big picture. For instance there was a lot of militant working class movements in the USA. In 1934 you had the Teamster Strike, also two other ones in Toledo and San Fransisco. The union movement and the student movement in the 60's. You have to look at it dialectically, most workers are angry with Obama and the democrats for not doing enough and because of this Obama is moving more to the right! We need the unions to break from the democrats and run their own separate party. At the moment most union members still have illusions in Obama, but after 3 more years of disappointment is bound to have an effect.

[fire_mat99]

I wouldn't make such strong claims such as "the USA will not be a socialist country", which you have to look at the big picture. For instance there was a lot of militant working class movements in the USA. In 1934 you had the Teamster Strike, also two other ones in Toledo and San Fransisco. The union movement and the student movement in the 60's. You have to look at it dialectically, most workers are angry with Obama and the democrats for not doing enough and because of this Obama is moving more to the right! We need the unions to break from the democrats and run their own separate party. At the moment most union members still have illusions in Obama, but after 3 more years of disappointment is bound to have an effect.

There is still major libertarian  mass in the US where out side the US libertarian views are extinct.In much the libertarian and hardcore conservative is why the US is only industries nation that is really backwards when you look at Europe,South America and Central America being way more progressive .

[Jimi4444]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8347409.stm this really shows that your views of a "major libertarian mass in the US" is false. About 12 of the population thinks the system is "fatally flawed" and half think that we need reforms. So it's pretty clear that the majority are NOT libertarians. Look at Europe, Germany has Merkel, France has Szarkosy, are you saying that this is progressive? This anti-Americanism is not helpful and not what Marxist should be advocating. There is clearly a shift to the left, and in the past two years no country has shifted more to the left than the States. You should really read more on the history of the United States, the working class here has some pretty militant history and it's sad that most on the left have nothing but contempt for the working class here in the States.

[fire_mat99]

NOT like most left people who go to rallies and hand out papers and protest I know first had what Americans think.I do not live in bubble.Not like most left people I watch CNN ,FOX and read message boards and chat rooms .Not like most left people I do not censor my polls of people view.

If you truly think the US will be 50 % socialist or 25% socialist or even have universal healthcare than you more disturbed than I think.Look I do not what to sound mean but the reality is Americans are not socialist not even close .

Now I will say other countries seem to progress slow over time where the US progress in short bursts every x number of years .So the US has this feel of time on hold for long time than progress some what and time on hold for long time than progress some what and time on hold for long time and same thing .

That me say this again all US presidents are none progressive .Every x number of years we get Clinton,  Kennedy or Obama that to American standard are socialist and to the world put on a nice face.That is just the way the US is and will be.Other thing is in the 60's , 70's and 80's was the war on Communism the cold war and this had a profound mental change.That me give you some psychology. There is 2 hockey teams one team called the crickets and the other called the iron. They fight at school and call names and are trying to compete .The crickets like x-files and KFC and the iron like star trek and hot dog and fries . When the iron think of x-files and KFC they think of the crickets .


Now when people think of Communism they think of evile USSR .Remember the old quotes dirty commie ,atheist commie ,communism taking over the world ,USSR or Russia talking over the world and going to enslave us ,evile Russia , evile ,communism so on.That was not long ago at all.

Any thing remotely to the left is viewed has USSR .That me tell you some thing the US will not be 25% socialist never ever . In order for US to be any where close to socialist is 3 things a degenerating society and we are well on are way there now,other depression or capitalism falling apart and the only country left is the US that is capitalism .


The US is not getting better but worse .The degenerating society may force Americans to do some thing.

The cost of army and defence not to say wars is getting really bad and not going get better but worse.Not to say the high prison popualtion and cost of putting so many people in prison is getting much worse.Crime out of control and cost to have cops on every 2 or 3 city block do to the high crime.
 
On note I will say Europe social programs are under attack much like Canada .And I will say to have universal healthcare is fight and to keep universal healthcare is fight that just way the world works.My guess is when people start protesting the government and businesses give people social programs to keep them happy and when they get use to it and the people none politically active they start to remove the social programs and that is the way it works in the world.


But I will say over my dead body American believe in the free market and anti- big government and anti-social programs and the thought of just being 15% socialist makes them sick to the stomic.In Europe,South America and Central America they believe in the free market it just they believe it should be controlled more to be fair and have more social programs.And I have no problem saying the bureaucrats of the government and businesses are hard at work to remove the social programs in Europe and Canada.

[Jimi4444]

You honestly take FOX news seriously? No wonder you have such a distorted view of the American public. Rassmussen did a poll about a year ago and the number of people who said they prefered socialism over capitalism was 20 percent! It gets even more impressive when you look at the youth, where it was divided between: Socialism, capitalism and no opinion. You clearly haven't read much history of the USA, not to sound offensive, you just haven't. Look at the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Labor movement, Teamster Strike, Vietnam, WTO protests in 1999, and you tell me we don't have any militant history!

The Cold War is over, it may not have been that long ago but I'm 20 and most people don't have the same prejudices as the older people and are more open minded. But I can't keep replying to your post when the best source you can give is "CNN and FOX news". Read "A Peoples History of the United States" and "Marxism and the USA" and I'll give you listen.

[fire_mat99]

You honestly take FOX news seriously? No wonder you have such a distorted view of the American public

I give up on the US when I talk to welfare people ,street people ,poor people and drug users who are libertarians. Tell me why is there a libertarian indepeded party but no left party? Why 70% are anti- stimulus money now and anti- big government. Why is people so bad about big government?

Why are message board  and Chat rooms all over the internet so libertarian not say very very anti- left.

Rassmussen did a poll about a year ago and the number of people who said they prefered socialism over capitalism was 20 percent

Do you have a source? And if so is it reliable .I just do not believe more than 3% would support socialism not to say 20%.

Look at the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Labor movement, Teamster Strike, Vietnam, WTO protests in 1999, and you tell me we don't have any militant history!

No I do not understand much of that. But fox news and CNN have done a very very very good job at dumbing down America to the point people do not understand the political spectrum!!

[Jimi4444]

The Libertarian Independent Party is not a big factor, also you have the Greens which are a lot more of a poltical force here in the USA. Most of the left sadly have illusions in the Democrats, but still libertarians are an extreme minority. 70 percent being anti-big government? I'd like to see the stats and what they mean by "big government". If by big government you mean bailing out corporations than I'm against it too. I just see no basis anymore for this anti-American bais coming from the left, were you living under a rock during the Obama campaign?

All I have to say is that this anti-American sentiment is NOT a Marxist analysis, actually the opposite quite reactionary. As a Marxist I put my faith in the working class to overthrow capitalism, and trust me people here are ANGRY. Also I got the poll from Rasmussen which is pretty reliable, there is plenty of other sources that confirm the same thing, people are clearly moving to the LEFT. You could argue more than Europe. The "Tea Parties" are a minority and most people just make fun of them, if this is your big libertarian base.

[fire_mat99]

Anyone who is the Tea Party and what whey do? Many people talk about the Tea Parties?

What do they do.