Reply on how businesses control the goverment

[fire_mat99]

What I would like to understand is how businesses control the goverment or why the goverment is for businesses.

Because the government always protects the economic system. The government is always full of the current economic systems representatives. From the Roman Empire to now. The government has been dominated by those that run the economy. As for one, they have the money to run for such positions. (Surprisingly enough, the current Vice President in America was the poorest Senator at 100 thousand something.) And two, it's a good way for them to get their way. For cheaper business affairs or busting the workers.

There was a post by ckaihatsu on how businesses get big and powerful but seem to have got deleted.Some thing about friends in businesses and kickbacks.And some thing about evolving door and lobbying groups.


Your analyzes on a economic system is really political ideology a conservative believes in free market , a liberal believes in some control in extreme cases , well social demoractic belives in a equal and fair capitalism.Most social demoractic are anti- big businesses and anti- monoply or anti border line monoply and some are even anti-rich .Most coutries in the world flop between liberal and conservative ideology .The only coutries in the world that are more social demoractic are Europe or South America but in the past 15 to 20 yaers have past reform bills to move away of social demoractic .In much the same way Canada has been passing reform bills to in line with the US political ideology.A revolution or change is too much so what the governments likes to do is pass small reform bills every year so in 10 or 15 years it is a change and it not shock to people.

Alot of people do not know about these reform bills .Keep in mind with NAFTA and globalization countries had to lower wages and cut benefits to compete with sweatshop countries.The American car makers are doom and no govermet money will save them do to sweatshop countries.Alot of US businesses are going to China  or India for cheaper wages and no work  benefits .

Most conservatives and liberals I talk to what more free-market  , less govermet spending ,less tax  ,less social programs ,small goverment.


The news media and news oulets are more conservative do to the advertisment and all the commercials.You have to be pro-businesses and pro-free-market   and not say bad things about businesses or you not going to get the advertisment and all those commercials!!

[fire_mat99]

Some say interest groups and companies building prisons the constructions of prisons and companies making stuff like food , clothing for inmates and uniform for jail guards , beds , jail bars , tooth Paste ,toilts ,phones and Surveillance stuff in prisons some how get goverment people to pass tough on crime laws.

The so called Prison-industrial complex where by companies making profit of the growth of prisons well the taxpayers foot the bill much like the Military-industrial complex where by companies making tanks , jeaps ,ships ,planes , food , uniform , guns so on profit.

There is very little information on the internet how the prison-industrial complex works or how businesses control the goverment.

[JJM 777]

Basically:
- Businesses donate money to election campaigns of candidates whose policies are favourable to the businesses. Bigger campaign budget ensures statistically better chances to get elected than candidates who don't receive support from big businesses.
- Also after the elections, big businesses try to lobby or softly bribe politicians (also those whom the big businesses didn't support under elections) or threaten to move factory X to a different country if the politicians make decision Z which would be against the interests of company Y. This is an essential part of the political power of companies: they invest money to huge projects that generate a lot of employment, IF certain conditions secretly agreed behind the curtains go through in the political process. The general public needs never know what was agreed behind the curtains.

[JJM 777]

An often heard thumscrews-phrase from Rightist parties in smaller countries is: "If we make too high taxation or raise the minimum wage or etc etc etc etc -- the THE INTERNATIONAL INVESTORS will invest their money to other countries with a more favourable economical climate, and our country will fall to UNEMPLOYMENT AND RECESSION. A strong argument, and international investors indeed pay attention to local legislations when they decide where to start a company or a factory."

[Antonio Balmer]

from the Manifesto:

"Each step in the development of the bourgeoisie was accompanied by a corresponding political advance of that class...... the bourgeoisie has at last, since the establishment of Modern Industry and of the world market, conquered for itself, in the modern representative State, exclusive political sway. The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie."

My understanding is this. Not only do businesses control the government, the government exists as a tool of capitalism. Maybe not as a tool of any single company, but as a tool that preserves the order needed for capitalism to function. With its system of laws, starting with the constitution (in the US), the "rights of capital" are  protected. I think politicians internalize this concept, that working for big business and helping the interests of big business is the same thing as helping the economy in general. After all when big businesses prosper the news tells us the recession is over. Never mind the 16 million unemployed in the US today!

Another point: if you have any doubt that the government is "but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie," just look at our foreign policy (again in the US) and the history of our interventions in other countries. Anytime there is a threat to the property/capital of the Bourgeoisie of the US, our military is there to protect it, even if it means taking out a socialist leader or movement in another country. (See Salvador Allende in 1973). Not to mention Iraq.

Capitalism dominates everything because everything is funded by capitalism. If that makes sense.

-Antonio
Oroville Branch WIL

[Christopher Hill]

The anology that I often use when explaining this to people is that the dominant political parties are gangs, Just like you would expect to find on the streets commiting crimes all over the world, the only difference being that the crimes of the common gangster are obvious and condemned while the crimes of the government, which is in fact directly responsible for the poverty which fuels such common "gangsterism" are viewed as upstanding and applauded for their blantant robbery of the people. Much like the Bloods and Crips the Republicans and the Democrats fight over corporate "donations", does this not resemble the common gangster tactic of fighting over neighborhoods in which to profit from?

[Antonio Balmer]

To educate yourself further on the specific issue of corporate control of the government, there are a couple very helpful resources I've come across. www.opensecrets.org is a good website with tons of info about the revolving door in washington, basically which corporations are spending howmuch money lobbying which congress people. Another good site I found a short while ago is www.corporations.org which can give you great info on different industries. These are not marxist sites and don't offer very complete anlalysis of capitalist economy, but the info they give is useful. These sites can help you study the ruling class.

[Universal]

Yea, business controls government; I suggest we get rid of a money system and do economics like true communism, totally free and without problems of poverty, homelessness, and depressions/recessions.
Native American society is completly better than this screwed up weaster way.
If only I knew who invented this system:(

[fire_mat99]

Anyone know what is happing at the summit meeting .

That seams to be the norm now.And the evile of globalization and NAFTA.