active groups in the usa

[kosta]

Hey i am new and you guys are pretty active but i was wondiring if there is any other groups. So far this one lokks the best

[caesarscook]

Hey i am new and you guys are pretty active but i was wondiring if there is any other groups. So far this one lokks the best

Thanks for the compliment.  There are too many so-called socialist groups around to list, but I think you've made the right choice in the IMT.  If you have questions about specific groups, we can try to answer them.

[kosta]

thanks

[kosta]

Are you any differnet from Communist youth?

[caesarscook]

Are you any differnet from Communist youth?

Yes, I'm assuming you are referring to the YCL.  We are very different.  To just give one example, they support the Democratic Party, while we argue that the Democrats and the Republicans are both capitalist parties.  The only way forward for workers in the US is the formation of a mass party of labor.

[Dimitri]

I am in the Canadian section of the IMT but I am pretty sure that the WIL has many differences with the YCL.
First of all the YCL has adopted a left-reformist line, furthermore they do not campaign for a mass working class party which is a crucial step to the American workers movement.
The US is one of the few countries with no mass workers party, so its formation would be a decisive development for the movement in the US.
So I think that the WIL being one of the few left wing groups that campaign for it, is on the right track.

[caesarscook]

I am in the Canadian section of the IMT but I am pretty sure that the WIL has many differences with the YCL.
First of all the YCL has adopted a left-reformist line, furthermore they do not campaign for a mass working class party which is a crucial step to the American workers movement.
The US is one of the few countries with no mass workers party, so its formation would be a decisive development for the movement in the US.
So I think that the WIL being one of the few left wing groups that campaign for it, is on the right track.

Well put.  As was pointed out, among other differences, the YCL and their parent organization, the CPUSA, support the Democrats.  They also have a complete inability to explain what happened in the Soviet Union.  The answer you'll get on that question from them, as well as most other groups, is totally incoherent.  Whereas, the WIL and the IMT base ourselves on Trotsky's writings as developed and expanded upon by Ted Grant.  http://www.marxist.com/russiabook-8.htm

[kosta]

thanks

[Q-collective]

Hey i am new and you guys are pretty active but i was wondiring if there is any other groups. So far this one lokks the best

Socialist Alternative is an example. The site offers good reading into current events and background analysis.

[Dimitri]

Hey i am new and you guys are pretty active but i was wondiring if there is any other groups. So far this one lokks the best

Socialist Alternative is an example. The site offers good reading into current events and background analysis.

Does Socialist Alternative campaign for the creation of a mass labor party , not necessarily revolutionary Marxist, or does it see itself becoming the new mass workers party?
If it is the latter then I am absolutely opposed to that tactic.

[Q-collective]

Hey i am new and you guys are pretty active but i was wondiring if there is any other groups. So far this one lokks the best

Socialist Alternative is an example. The site offers good reading into current events and background analysis.

Does Socialist Alternative campaign for the creation of a mass labor party , not necessarily revolutionary Marxist, or does it see itself becoming the new mass workers party?
If it is the latter then I am absolutely opposed to that tactic.

We never and nowhere see ourselves as the new workers party. That is a myth particularly popular in the IMT for some odd reason.
But yes, we argue in the US for a mass, democratic and fighting working class party.

[caesarscook]

Hey i am new and you guys are pretty active but i was wondiring if there is any other groups. So far this one lokks the best

Socialist Alternative is an example. The site offers good reading into current events and background analysis.

Does Socialist Alternative campaign for the creation of a mass labor party , not necessarily revolutionary Marxist, or does it see itself becoming the new mass workers party?
If it is the latter then I am absolutely opposed to that tactic.

We never and nowhere see ourselves as the new workers party. That is a myth particularly popular in the IMT for some odd reason.
But yes, we argue in the US for a mass, democratic and fighting working class party.

Actually, while your website has the formation of a mass workers' party in its program, the articles in your paper, Justice, typically defend the line that what is needed  is an "anti-corporate" party, which is slightly more ambiguous.  That said, the absence of a mass party of labor in this country actually leaves more similarities than differences between ourselves and the CWI in the US, at least when it comes to US perspectives.  Somehow, I have a feeling that if a mass labor party were to be formed concretely, however, it would quickly be denounced as bourgeois by the CWI.  As for comrade kosta's question, feel free to check out their page, and others as well.  Deciding which organization has the correct perspective is an important decision that shouldn't be taken lightly, but I'm confident that you will come to the conclusion that the IMT's organization in the US, www.socialistappeal.org, is the right one for you.

[Dimitri]

"We never and nowhere see ourselves as the new workers party. That is a myth particularly popular in the IMT for some odd reason.
But yes, we argue in the US for a mass, democratic and fighting working class party."

I am not aware of that myth you are talking about.
It is certainly not a popular myth in the IMT. It was just a genuine question.
Although I agree with ceasarscook that if there was a labour party formed in the US which would propably be a right reformist one close to Labour in the beggining of the 90s in Britain the CWI would denounce it as bourgeois, just like they did with the Labor Party.
Hopefully though they will not and I think that in the present , the IMT and CWI sections in the US should work more closely together and organize common events and have a common strategy towards the realization of a new mass workers Party in the US.

For the present a reconciliation between the IMT and the CWI at least in the USA will be a very positive thing.
I urge any comrades from the US to work towards this, although I am not aware of many details concerning the situation in the USA .

[T.K.A.-Denmark]

We never and nowhere see ourselves as the new workers party. That is a myth particularly popular in the IMT for some odd reason.

That is not entirely true. The "myth" as you calls it date back to when the Socialist Party was formed in Britain with alot of rhetoric that left no doubt that CWI considered it to be "the party" as one could say. I know that's changed now and the new line is that there should be built a new labour party "with revolutionaries in it".

[kosta]

thanks guys