Canadian Conservative Agenda

[fire_mat99]

World bank and globlization is running and controlling the government by bribery and government debt to drop social programs and push for privatization .To cut or drop scial programs and push for privatization .The World bank and globlization bribe the government and put the government in debt .

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[fire_mat99]

Are Canadians mostly progressive or conservative?
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[Dimitri]

You can't ask if Canadians are progressive or not.
Every country has a proletariat which is either revolutionary or radicalized due to material conditions , or it is more conservative, but when objective conditions changed they too will become radicalized.
Due to the capitalist boom a lot of sections of the proletariat in Canada have grown out to be conservative but they are the minority. Most conservatives are either bourgeois or members of the petit bourgeoisie which is traditionally conservative.
The overwhelming majority of the Canadian proletariat is either "Liberal" or Social Democratic ,with the most advanced layers being revolutionary marxists.

For example in Quebec before the Federal Election all the Workers Unions called on the working class for a vote to a party other than the conservatives in this election. Although faulty , this analysis shows the radicalization of the proletariat in Canada. When the liberals come to power after the conservatives will be discredited due to the crisis, the population will realize that conservatives=liberals.
After that the majority of the  working class will pass through the stage of the NDP where we will be and offer a Marxist  alternative.
This is what will happen if the crisis continues for a long time.

You see no population is conservative or radical. Its level of consciousness depends on objective and subjective conditions.

[fire_mat99]

Yes material conditions shape people if you a liberal , conservative ,social democratic or socialist so on.But media  ,TV ,radio,computer ,news so on shape people too by propagada.

Fox shape people by conservative propagada .CNN shape people by liberal propagada but more right than than the liberal in Canada that is more left.The BBC is more left than Canada and US media .

In France the school ,media  and  government shape people by social democratic views.Also how you are born and if your mom and dad are conservative  than mostly you are going be a conservative .

Alot of people move to extreme right do to fear of socialism.People in the US are more conservative on the social side and libertarian on the economic side.But there is growthing of police state and remove of liberty rights.

 
 

[Dimitri]

Yes I do agree that the CNN and FOX news promote capitalist propaganda. But their propaganda used to find a fertile ground under the material conditions of the USA.
I don't think that the workers that just got sacked from his job due to the crisis will listen to their propaganda anymore.
Anyways I don't think that media propaganda will hinder our work and the possibility of bringing socialism about.
The workers with the empty stomach or the worker that just lost his job, even the worker that has a job but he gets oppressed economically etc in his workplace will be more eager to learn about socialism than listen to what FOX news has to say as conditions change.
After 1 or 2 years of the crisis that just started the media propaganda machine will lose its credibility amongst a big portion of the working class.
I simply don't care about what the media says to be honest.

Personally I just care to find honest activists and educate them in the ideas of marxism for now , when the big portion of the population is inactive in politics. When conditions change and the consciousness of the big mass of the working class shifts to the left due to objective conditions then we will have a base in spreading our ideas. When that happens , the silly arguments of FOX and CNN will have little or no impact on our work.

That is what I try to do right now, work with what I ve got , educating the advanced students so we can be prepaired for what is to come.   

[InsertNameHere]

Yes material conditions shape people if you a liberal , conservative ,social democratic or socialist so on.But media  ,TV ,radio,computer ,news so on shape people too by propagada.

Fox shape people by conservative propagada .CNN shape people by liberal propagada but more right than than the liberal in Canada that is more left.The BBC is more left than Canada and US media .

In France the school ,media  and  government shape people by social democratic views.Also how you are born and if your mom and dad are conservative  than mostly you are going be a conservative .

Alot of people move to extreme right do to fear of socialism.People in the US are more conservative on the social side and libertarian on the economic side.But there is growthing of police state and remove of liberty rights.

That's very true actually. For example, most of my friend's parents are Conservative and/or wealthy so their views pretty much wipe off on their children. I grew up in a family that was never really extremely interested in politics(this gave me an opportunity to explore all political ideologies without outside influence). Also, my family isn't the wealthiest in the world so I naturally became leftist. However, I began as a moderate Social Democrat before finally moving over to Marxism and then finally Trotskyism.

[allpeopleunite]

Franchement, les conservateurs sont pas très différents des libéraux en matière de leur plans pour l'économie, les libéraux prétend de s'occuper juste avec l'emploi et la bien-être de canadiens ordinaires, c'est avec ça merde qu'ils proposent  leurs conditions pour l'appui du budget 27 Janvier. «Sauver les jobs», ça veut dire, «sauver les grands entreprises». C'est seulement avec l'appuie, et la force, du NPD, qui peut régler les problèmes de l'économie pour la classe ouvrière. Une coalition oui, mais avec une grande influence pour les népédistes!

[caesarscook]

Franchement, les conservateurs sont pas très différents des libéraux en matière de leur plans pour l'économie, les libéraux prétend de s'occuper juste avec l'emploi et la bien-être de canadiens ordinaires, c'est avec ça merde qu'ils proposent  leurs conditions pour l'appui du budget 27 Janvier. «Sauver les jobs», ça veut dire, «sauver les grands entreprises». C'est seulement avec l'appuie, et la force, du NPD, qui peut régler les problèmes de l'économie pour la classe ouvrière. Une coalition oui, mais avec une grande influence pour les népédistes!

Now that's not fair!  J/K

[Dimitri]

Franchement, les conservateurs sont pas très différents des libéraux en matière de leur plans pour l'économie, les libéraux prétend de s'occuper juste avec l'emploi et la bien-être de canadiens ordinaires, c'est avec ça merde qu'ils proposent  leurs conditions pour l'appui du budget 27 Janvier. «Sauver les jobs», ça veut dire, «sauver les grands entreprises». C'est seulement avec l'appuie, et la force, du NPD, qui peut régler les problèmes de l'économie pour la classe ouvrière. Une coalition oui, mais avec une grande influence pour les népédistes!

Comrade, I agree with you that the Conservatives and the Liberals are pretty much the same.
The coalition though is not good for the NDP.
a)You said that the coalition would be good if the NDP has influence. Unfortunately the coalition agreements shows that the NDP will have minimal influence.
1) Troops remain in Afghanistan.
2) The $50-billion corporate tax cuts stand.
3) No NDP member to have any influence over Finance.
4) Liberal PM  selects which 6 NDP MPs will enter cabinet.(and of course he will select the more right-wing ones)

b) Because the NDP will be equated to the coalition government which would be primarily controlled by the Liberals. That would equate the Liberals with the NDP in the eyes of the masses and that is bad for the party for obvious reasons.  So a person who would vote for the NDP, now that the lines between the NDP and the Liberals would be blurred , will decide to vote for the Liberals instead which have a much higher chance to form a government. 

c) Because as socialists we must always have a class independent analysis. No coalition with bourgeois parties.
It is a reformist and Stalinist theory, that of allying with the "progressive" bourgeoisie. It has cost the lives of millions of workers in the past and has defeated many revolutions. As marxists we have a duty to examine the past and draw lessons from it for the future.

Comradely,
Dimitri

[fire_mat99]

Any conservatives majority will destroy Canada and Canada will be like US.Say goodbye to all social progress in Canada.

Not saying liberals will do it ,  but there are less evile than the conservatives .Any coalition will be a center policy than a right wing conservatives  party that would love to change Canada to the US model.

Canada is in debt do to the bailout to banks and car makers  and economic programs.The social programs are almost extinguished and we on the road to US model and the conservatives  party will push for this and much faster.

I hope that the fear of the 2 elections the liberals not getting in and growing support for the NDP this will push the liberals  to where they where before.

[Dimitri]

Unfortunately Fire_mat this is not the case. The Liberal and Conservative program are identical on economic and main political issues. If you don't trust me , read their program.
A Liberal-NDP coalition would not be "in the center" as you say because the NDP would have no say on financial issues as I mentioned already(according to the deal they made).
Also don't have any illusions that the Liberal-NDP coalition would not do bailouts. Obama supported the bailouts for example. Also the Liberals bailed out and cut corporate taxes to many companies during the time they were in government.
As marxists we have to understand that there is no difference between the bourgeois parties . Those who control the economic and political scene are the ruling class.

[fire_mat99]

Unfortunately Fire_mat this is not the case. The Liberal and Conservative program are identical on economic and main political issues. If you don't trust me , read their program.

Well yes in past 15 or 20 years the Liberal have been cutting social programs and  pushing for privatization and less tax for the rich and businesses.They support NAFTA and globalization.

They do not care about the homeless and affordable housing .They no longer fight  to end discrimination on a person age and sex.And yes females get less pay than guys in work places.Not to say work places that want guys only.

Daycare and rent is no longer support by liberals .But most of the problem they have been in too long and did not fear another party getting in.I hope they get their  act together.

[Dimitri]

Unfortunately Fire_mat this is not the case. The Liberal and Conservative program are identical on economic and main political issues. If you don't trust me , read their program.

Well yes in past 15 or 20 years the Liberal have been cutting social programs and  pushing for privatization and less tax for the rich and businesses.They support NAFTA and globalization.

They do not care about the homeless and affordable housing .They no longer fight  to end discrimination on a person age and sex.And yes females get less pay than guys in work places.Not to say work places that want guys only.

Daycare and rent is no longer support by liberals .But most of the problem they have been in too long and did not fear another party getting in.I hope they get their  act together.

They 're policies shift from keynensian economics to neo-liberalism according to the economic situation, the same goes for all bourgeois parties. In the present economic crisis they cannot afford any concessions like they did on the post-war boom. They will attack the working class even more if they get elected. Hopefully the NDP will not be in government with them.

[fire_mat99]

They 're policies shift from keynensian economics to neo-liberalism according to the economic situation, the same goes for all bourgeois parties. In the present economic crisis they cannot afford any concessions like they did on the post-war boom. They will attack the working class even more if they get elected. Hopefully the NDP will not be in government with them.

The policies shift was in the 90's when goverment ran out of money to build schools , hospitals  ,libraries , roads and highways.So they did cut backs and moved to the private sector for the answer and thus neo-liberalism .

 

[fire_mat99]

I'm tryng understand the new deal and keynensian and can use some help.

I know neoliberalism  emphasizes the importance of economic growth and asserts that social justice is best maintained by minimal government interference and free market .I believe neoliberalism  they advocate less tax and less social programs than the  traditional Liberals .