Did Stalin poison Lenin?

[condor]

Does anyone have any opinions on Trotsky's suggestion, in Stalin, Volume 2 that Stalin may have poisoned Lenin?Unfortunately, I am unable to find Stalin on marxists.org.

For those who haven't read it, Stalin includes some hilarious examples of Stalin's histrionics, including Stalin running away and hiding when things didn't go his way during comitee meetings and Stalin attempting to 'steal' another ministry's lodgings during the dead of night for himself.

[T.K.A.-Denmark]

Hmm it's plausible, but I haven't seen any rock hard evidence. But yeah I think Stalin was capeable of doing such an act, wheter he did it or not im not sure.
If he did it would be quite ironic since much point to that he himself was poisoned when he died due to his inner circle being quite disturbed by his growing paranoia and that he was possibly thinking of yet another purge.

[Marguerite]

Lenin is said to have asked his wife to poison him if his health was so bad that he wouldn't be able to control his actions and decide independently. It's quite possible that Stalin heard it and decided that getting rid of the old leader who definitely didn't want him to become the next dictator would be a good idea. However, as it was said above, there are no solid proofs that Stalin actually dared to kill Lenin.

[The Evil Stalinist]

haha that's funny and is always the same with you trots. Gigantic acussations and speculations, yet never any sources. Trotsky was mad that the Soviet Union was building socialism without his menshevik views, and the theory of permanent revolution had been proven utterly bankrupt.

Stalin was the precussor to America's people magazine and national inquirer. "I heard from a friend who has a friend that has friend that Molotov said that a friend may have heard that Kamenev said that Stalin killed Lenin!!!"

[The Evil Stalinist]

what motive would Stalin have? It wasn't like he was Lenin's outlined successor. There many higher ranking officials

[T.K.A.-Denmark]

Gigantic acussations and speculations, yet never any sources. Trotsky was mad that the Soviet Union was building socialism without his menshevik views, and the theory of permanent revolution had been proven utterly bankrupt.

Always nice to see the typical internetbullshit going after the the man instead of the ball.
The russian revolution was quite funnily actualy a confirmation of the theory of permanent revolution.
You seem to have gotten menshevism wrong, menshevism was actually theories like "stage theory" a theory later taken up by... Uncle Joe himself

Now if you look at the position taken by Lenin and Trotsky and compare it to that of Stalin, the accusation of "menshevism" can be put at Stalins feet, he held a concillatory line towards first the government of Prince Lvov and later to Kerensky. When Lenin returned and gave Stalin a theoretical bashing Stalin shut up as so many times before.

[Iskra]

Did stalin poison Lenin? I really don't know. It seems unlikely as there is little evidence for it. I think that we should avoid the old Trotskyist cliche that it was just Stalin that ruined the perfect Russian revolutionary proccess. Stalin as all rulers do represented a class interest or in this case those of a caste, the emerging Soviet bueraucracy that through Stalin drowned the Russian revolution in bueraucracy and the blood of those fighting for genuine socialism.

[condor]

My question wasn't meant to imply anything. However, didn't Stalin use Lenin as an icon to back all his policies? That would be impossible if Lenin had lived, spoken out & delivered his "crushing blow against the bureaucracy."

[The Evil Stalinist]

Gigantic acussations and speculations, yet never any sources. Trotsky was mad that the Soviet Union was building socialism without his menshevik views, and the theory of permanent revolution had been proven utterly bankrupt.

Always nice to see the typical internetbullshit going after the the man instead of the ball.
The russian revolution was quite funnily actualy a confirmation of the theory of permanent revolution.
You seem to have gotten menshevism wrong, menshevism was actually theories like "stage theory" a theory later taken up by... Uncle Joe himself

Now if you look at the position taken by Lenin and Trotsky and compare it to that of Stalin, the accusation of "menshevism" can be put at Stalins feet, he held a concillatory line towards first the government of Prince Lvov and later to Kerensky. When Lenin returned and gave Stalin a theoretical bashing Stalin shut up as so many times before.

Sorry, Trotsky was a prominent member of the menshevik party. Then in July, he essentially hopped on the bolshevik wagon and took credit for the revolution despite the fact that it was Stalin, not he, who was on the political centre and Stalin not he who had been organizing workers and soviet strikes for years.

How was the bolshevik revolution an example of the permanent revolution? It was an example of socialism in one country because socialism was built in one place and the workers were creating a new society while parts of the world were still busy struggling towards socialism. If anything, the permanent revolution had failed. (Germany)

As for the stage theory, that's hardly "menshevik". Menshevik theory was the reformist theory of the party which trotsky was a member of.

Anyhow, we've gone off topic. I'll wait for the sources Trotsky used to prove Stalin killed Lenin. Until then, Trotsky is essentially a hack.

[Otter]

Does anyone have any opinions on Trotsky's suggestion, in Stalin, Volume 2 that Stalin may have poisoned Lenin?Unfortunately, I am unable to find Stalin on marxists.org.

For those who haven't read it, Stalin includes some hilarious examples of Stalin's histrionics, including Stalin running away and hiding when things didn't go his way during comitee meetings and Stalin attempting to 'steal' another ministry's lodgings during the dead of night for himself.

I like conspirational theories but...

Lenin's death was caused by an inherited condition of calcification in the veins of the brain, leading to several strokes which eventually led to his death. After Lenin's death in 1924, he was embalmed. The embalming process included the removal of his brain from his body. The brain was then conserved, for further studies by soviet scientists. Recently an analysis done on Lenin's brain, revealed that his death had been caused by this exact condition, which he had inherited from his father, which died from the same thing. Also, if Stalin had poisoned Lenin, this would have been revealed by higher toxic values, during the examinations done by Soviet Scientist in the years after his death.

I believe Lenin, being an intellectual son of a bitch, would have realised it if he had been poisoned by Stalin.

Otter