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Topic: Dialectics of Nature by Frederick Engels (Read 8387 times)
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RedVanguard9
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Whose read this yet? Maybe we could read portions of this and then discuss them? Thats my suggestion for an online study group...
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Faceless
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I am currently reading it and would be very interested in studying it with you. It isn't an easy read because a lot of the language is very dated.
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Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come.
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caesarscook
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This was one of the first texts I read when I first joined. It was before we formally had a branch in St. Louis and the other comrade at the time locally told me that we were going to be discussing dialectics, and I didn't even know what that meant. Rather than do the obvious thing and look on the website for basic readings on the subject, I went to look for writings by Marx and Engels with "dialectics" in the title (Give me a break, I was pretty young and stupid.). I crammed it into one night because we were meeting almost every other day. Of course, the other, more experienced comrade locally was assuming that I knew my way around the website and would be reading one of the million and a half shorter and more basic readings. Well, that didn't happen. Instead I read this longer, more complicated text that I didn't understand at all. That's the nice thing about having a branch and traditions. None of the younger comrades have ever or will ever have to go through that! ;) Oh well, we've all made mistakes, thought I'd share one of mine. And hell, I should probably reread it now that I'm a bit more theoretically developed. I see that Wellred has just republished it: http://www.marxist.com/wellred-dialectics-nature-engels080107.htm |
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"The motor force of history is truth and not lies." -Leon Trotsky, The Revolution Betrayed, 1937
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I need to reread it as well. I tried reading it, along with Anti-Duhring, on a busy college schedule. I got a decent deal of it down (I had read more basic stuff first), but I will need to reread my 25th volume of the MECW (contains Anti-Duhring and Dialectics of Nature) sometime in the future.
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“I believe the phrase of Karl Marx is more relevant today than ever before, so the question is: socialism or death, but death of the human race, the death of the planet, because capitalism has abandoned the planet, it is destroying the ecology of the planet..."
Hugo Chavez
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RedVanguard9
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The stuff on Electricity gets very very confusing i'm having to re those sections a few times to get it
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Gerald Krasner
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hey i'm doing my dissertation on this, comparing it to Lukács, so i'll post it when its finished (in 2 months)
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OUTOFTHENIGHT
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Thanks Rosa. Your comment has been duly noted. |
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Rosa Lichtenstein
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Just make sure you remember this when anyone else tries to talk you into spending your time reading that waste of ink and paper Engels inflicted on us... :)
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« Last Edit: November 25, 2007, 12:09:33 PM by Rosa Lichtenstein »
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Rosa Lichtenstein
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No it isn't 'duly noted'; as soon as I stop looking after you, you lot will back-sass and start reading this stuff again.
It's like the Bible to you all... :)
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eco-socialist
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Comrade Rosa Lichtenstein;
your extreme dislike of Engels may well be fully justified, but to discourage other comrades from reading his works themselves and consequently from making their own decisions is not very socialist.
And surely you must have read a conciderable amount of his works yourself in order to 'demolish' them, (which I must say you do very well,) and you have not been corrupted by his 'mystical 'philosophy''.
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MARX: “It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but, on the contrary, their social existence determines their consciousness." EINSTEIN: "The tragedy of life is what dies inside a man while he lives."  |
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Rosa Lichtenstein
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Eco, on the contrary, it is of great service to comrades to warn them off a total waste of time and effort. They can then concentrate on the really important books written by Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky.
And, I have remained 'uncorrupted' since I know enough logic to keep this Hermetic virus at bay -- which cannot be said of other comrades.
However, I did find it difficult to stay awake as I ploughed through the (literally) hundreds of extremely repetitive and boring works that dialecticians have inflicted upon us, while researching my Essays.
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T.K.A.-Denmark
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Of course people shouldn't read Engells, they should just go straight to Rosa's site and join her crusade.
For she is allknowing and eternal, remember that.
(irony might be in use)
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