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Sorry you have lost me. Why doesnt'"socialism will not exploit the differences like capitalism does'
make sense?
Show me your evidence that a socialist society , with democratic workers control of the means of production, wouldnt create the conditions which would eventually lead to the elimination of all prejudices?
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Stonewall
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"eventually lead to the end of all prejudices"
That's the point. "Eventually".
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Capitalism 'eventually' leads to socialism.If we organise today, and learn the lessons for future generations.
Eventually , by that I mean that things can evolve. Maybe I should use the word evolve.Are you saying that by Marxists throwing their weight into the GLBT movement things will automatically change?
Of course it wont.
My point is that the GLBT movement has to throw its weight behind the fight for socialism.
You make the point that under socialism 'the majority could oppress the minority.'
Emphasis on 'could'.
My point is that the conditions would exist under socialism for the elimination of prejudice. Society would evolve into an equal society.
(please dont come back at me with a 'human nature' argument!!)
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I have no human nature case, so don't twist my points. The point is that religion and prejudice will exist even after capitalism ends. Without a sound plan to deal with that problem, things won't necessarily get better. It's no guarantee.
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And "evolve" does nothing about immediate discrimination and prejudice.
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It's like saying Lenin was wrong in 1917, he should have left Russia "evolve" into capitalism first.
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Thats just misunderstanding my points.
Im afraid you havent said anything new here.
I will continue fighting for sexual equality as part of the struggle for socialism and not as someting seperate from it as you seem to suggest.
I have already agreed with you that prejudice will exist for a while under socialism.I feel it is you who believes that socialism will not solve the problem of prejudice.
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"I have already agreed with you that prejudice will exist for a while under socialism."
I'm glad you agree with the point I've been making.
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Re read my previous posts regarding the other points. You seem to be ignoring them.
Im bored now. :P
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