marijuana use?

[afitillidie13]

how many people on here have ever used marijuana. also how often do you use it? and do you think it has a negative tendency to nullify the emotional aspects of the cause or a positive characteristic to help with creation and emotional expression?

[P.O.U.M]

I use to be a big pothead. I quit. Stopped liking the effects after awhile. Such as complete and utter laziness. Not to mention. Most everything I read during that period I rarely remember. So I have a list of things I need to re-read and re-familarize with.

And this is characteristic throughout California, those who usualy smoke ethier dont care, or take up the liberal position such as oh yeah things suck and are bad. And then tend to glorify this and make it into their own self-rightoues cause of caring. But just come out to be complete and utter morons who dont know a god damn thing or do anything other than take that next hit. Thats been my experince with them.

But I wouldnt mind moderated use of smoking as with drinking. Should not be done everyday. And people who usually smoke take it to the max as in smoking numerous times a day.

[afitillidie13]

yeah, i smoke a lot. but i'm thinking about cutting back. like not doing it as often or not getting as baked as i do. it starting to suck a little--all i do is smoke and be really, really bored. that is the absolute worst thing about being high is i get so bored.

and a lot of people do totally get hung up on just being stoned. i kind of feel like i'm turning into one of those people so moderation will definitely be a good thing.

[Daymare17]

The root cause of all drug use is to anesthetize some kind of pain, no matter what the drug users themselves say and think. There's no crime without a coverup. A drug user shoots out distortions and self-deceptions like a squid shoots out ink. I met a pot smoker who gripped his own shirt and explained that it was made out of hemp. This was one of his big explanations for smoking weed. One might ask, "so why do you smoke it? Why don't you make shirts out of it?" :D Think about it for a while, who the hell wants to admit that they smoke weed (or use other drugs) because they feel depressed and hopeless? All such coverups (including "creation and emotional expression") can be easily dismissed when you keep that in mind.

Every drug, in relation to society, has at bottom the same effect, only in different quantities. The haze wears off and then you notice that you still have an excess of problems and a shortage of future. The difference with before is that you have wasted a lot of time, a lot of money, and in many cases a lot of precious brain neurons. You become occupied not with how to clean your environment of hypocrisy, violence, humiliation and slavery, but with how to get the next fix so you can take your mind off this environment. Drug use destroys the ability and will of the working class to struggle. Thus, the illusory abolition of the worldly pain is the enemy of its real abolition.

Those who drug themselves might imagine that it's a kind of rebellion against the establishment, since the establishment, apparently, is anti-drug. This is a total misconception. While Nancy Reagan told US children to "say no to drugs", her husband was pumping LA full of crack. In Colombia they have been using WMDs (chemical weapons dropped from planes) against the civilian population for more than a decade, and filling up the country with tanks and missiles for use against its neighbors, while the US army itself is heavily involved in drug running. The "war on drugs", like all the wars carried out by capitalism is at bottom a war on the working class. The bourgeoisie laughs whenever you get high and weaken your resolve, they just like to keep it as illegal as possible so they can lock you up easily.

[OUTOFTHENIGHT]

Hey Rune.
What about in primitive communistic societies,  where the use of hallucenogenic plants or fungi was prominent?
For example the use of Peyote in latin American Indian tribes by shaman who didnt play an oppresive role in society?
Here it is believed the 'drug' was used to enhance understanding and learning and not as means of escape.
I agree with what you say about how the capitalist views drugs. Ultimately they want to make money out of it. It is no accident that you have thousands of US/UK troops in Afghanistan but the Poppy fields for Heroin production remain untouched.

[Stonewall]

I agree 100% with the above. However, I still think it's a personal matter. You can't solve drug abuse by keeping it illegal and having a "war on drugs", you can only solve the problem by fixing the causes --- poverty, unemployment, discrimination, hate, hopelessness, depression, etc.

[Stonewall]

May I refer all of you to the Raver's Manifesto to prove the point?

http://www.ecstasy.org/experiences/trip98.html

[Stonewall]

And alcoholism is the same =O but I can't say much there, cause I'm kind of having "breakfast" right now and it's not eggs and grits lol......

[P.O.U.M]

[quoteThe root cause of all drug use is to anesthetize some kind of pain, no matter what the drug users themselves say and think]

This isnt always the case. Though plenty of times I hear, "Man, I need a drhink/hit" after an unwelcomed situation. But alot of the times, one is escaping boredom, just pure simple boredom. Its cheaper, to buy some cheap vodka then it is to go out to the movies, dinner, or just about anything.

[afitillidie13]

yeah, simple boredom was almost always the reason i got high. i rarely smoked weed out of the need to solve a problem (actually it always seemed to fuck me if i was trying to solve something out of getting high). but i'm sxe now (but i don't hate drug users or anything (i'm not an asshole)).

[P.O.U.M]

Of course getting inbriated for reasons of boredom is still escaping the dull of reality.

[Stonewall]

Amen, I'm drinking again today lol =O