Punk

[P.O.U.M]

So the songs by International Noise Conspiracy titled "Capitalism stole my virginity" and "Communist moon" aren't anti-capitalism/communist?

Well Im obviously not to familar with them.

And punk is many different things to many different people. Bands like Nofx, Pennywise, Green Day are all to an extent punk. Lot of punks call it " poser" punk. Im personally not a big fan of bands like that. Though they each have a few good songs here and there but the majority of their music is like "eh."

Boysetsfire, they are mos def not punk. There is a punk element to them but overall its not a band I would categorize as punk.

[rangeriron]

I think you have to look more at the lyrics of a song to categorize it as punk or not.  The sound definitely has a role in considering what is punk and what is not but the lyrics to a song are the most important thing.  Singing about loosing your girlfried and being depressed about it (NEW green day, motion city soundtrack, my chemical romance) definitely rules out any option of it being punk music, even if it has the sound of a punk song.  But if a band is singing about current issues or observations on humanity (pennywise, bad religion, NOFX) they are definitely a punk band in my book.  Being "punk" is something that can be attained by anyone, you don't have to have the hairstyle and the studded belt, you need the mindset and ideals.

[Holocaustpulp]

Rangeriron:

Now I haven't been on YFIS in a while, but I still know what punk rock is. I started this sub-forum (whatever you want to call it) because I wanted to know some socialist PUNK MUSIC, not about modern-day popstars or experimental flukes.

"Singing about loosing your girlfried and being depressed about it (NEW green day, motion city soundtrack, my chemical romance) definitely rules out any option of it being punk music, even if it has the sound of a punk song."

Hmm... I'll let this go. While I know the image you're trying to paint here - an emo kid playing his guitar - punk rock isn't all political or social. Love, or the lack of it, or even the character of it, is something dealed with by the entire world, punk rock not being an exception. While punk rock isn't so self-pitying or self-defiling as other musical forms, it still has every right to discuss the subject of love and boyfriends or girlfriends... In fact, a lot of the proto-punk and early punk bands sang about this subject extensively, including the New York Dolls and the Buzzcocks to name a few.

"But if a band is singing about current issues or observations on humanity (pennywise, bad religion, NOFX) they are definitely a punk band in my book.  Being 'punk'  is something that can be attained by anyone, you don't have to have the hairstyle and the studded belt, you need the mindset and ideals."

Your last phrase would be a good maxim for punks to follow if your before-hand explanation wasn't so mixed up. Any band - in spite of genre - can sing about current issues and observations on humanity; even though this holds true, it doesn't mean that an underground political rap group is going to be at all punk rock, even if it is in your book. "Punk"  means defying the general conformity and doing so not arbitrarily but consciously. Sure, many different people have some "punk" spirit in them. Many lyrics can be considered to "punk" elements within them. In the end though, punk rock is a musical style, one that has been solidifying since the late 1960s, because there's just no better way to say FUCK YOU than to do it not only as a punk, but as a punk rocker.

Studded belts and hair aside (I know, I don't generally agree with these things either), I think you've broadened the definition of "punk" far too much. Everyone can appreciate a little punk attitude, but when you're considering music, a true punk is also appreciative of and is able to distinguish punk rock.

- HP

[rangeriron]

I guess I should have kind of rephrased it by saying that "punk rock" is more of a combination of critiquing lyrics and, in most cases, fast paced beats.  But to be "punk" is a different story.  I do agree with you that being "punk" is to defy the mass majority and the current trends that are taking place,  Therefore, I consider everyone from Newton to Darwin to a teenage girl wearing a "fuck Jesus" shirt to church when there parents make her go.  My idea of what "punk" is is derived from Greg Graffin's "Punk Synopsis" located here:  http://www.badreligion.com/news/essays.php?id=4

[jesuschristdotcom]

The shape of punk to come by refused is possibly the greatest album of all time, ever.

[caesarscook]

The shape of punk to come by refused is possibly the greatest album of all time, ever.

I'll second that, although their earlier Songs to Fan the Flames of Discontent album is also damn good!  Any discussion of their music though really needs to be tempered by a note that the Situationist movement that they promoted is a total dead end.  It made for some excellent songs, but their "manifestos" and "communiques" contained no analysis beyond emotional "discontent" and yearning to reach beyond the alienation of the capitalist system.  That said, they capture the rage of alienated youth about as anybody.  Heh, speaking of the Refused, has anyone seen that ridiculous video of Crazy Town (!!!) butchering "New Noise"!  I was furious when I saw that garbage.

On a lighter note, I will also concur with the comrade above and say that The International Noise Conspiracy is a damn good band.  That Under a Communist Moon song gets stuck in my head every time I hear it.

[BuryMeInACommunistPlot]

Forgive me if this has already been posted, but Refused (Swedish by origin, but english speaking) are an EXCELLENT radical-left punk/hardcore band. If you want to find the best this band has to offer, I highly recommend purchasing "The Shape of Punk to Come", it's their master-album.

On a side note, Tom Morello of Rage against the machine and Audioslave is a known Marxist.

[eco-socialist]

Hi comrades;
I'm not that big a fan of punk, but I do like all forms of music. For socialist based punk Redskins is pretty good, especially considering how rare it was for 80's skinheads to be 'red'. They were one of the first, if not the only, band in recent times to bring anti-capitalist, pro-socialist music to the manstream without compromising their principles.

[caesarscook]

Hi comrades;
I'm not that big a fan of punk, but I do like all forms of music. For socialist based punk Redskins is pretty good, especially considering how rare it was for 80's skinheads to be 'red'. They were one of the first, if not the only, band in recent times to bring anti-capitalist, pro-socialist music to the manstream without compromising their principles.

The Redskins are amazing!  I would also add Boikot from Spain and Banda Bassotti from Italy, which are both really good red ska/punk bands.  Camarada Kalashnikov is a really good hardcore band.  If you like grindier, faster stuff, the new album from Bring Down the Hammer is really good.  Also, some comrades from the WIL in the US are in a band called Workers' United Front, which has their first album up for download at http://music.download.com/workersunitedfront .  I could list more, but that's enough for now.

[jesuschristdotcom]

Hi comrades;
I'm not that big a fan of punk, but I do like all forms of music. For socialist based punk Redskins is pretty good, especially considering how rare it was for 80's skinheads to be 'red'. They were one of the first, if not the only, band in recent times to bring anti-capitalist, pro-socialist music to the manstream without compromising their principles.

The Redskins are amazing!  I would also add Boikot from Spain and Banda Bassotti from Italy, which are both really good red ska/punk bands.  Camarada Kalashnikov is a really good hardcore band.  If you like grindier, faster stuff, the new album from Bring Down the Hammer is really good.  Also, some comrades from the WIL in the US are in a band called Workers' United Front, which has their first album up for download at http://music.download.com/workersunitedfront .  I could list more, but that's enough for now.

some comrades?

[caesarscook]

Hi comrades;
I'm not that big a fan of punk, but I do like all forms of music. For socialist based punk Redskins is pretty good, especially considering how rare it was for 80's skinheads to be 'red'. They were one of the first, if not the only, band in recent times to bring anti-capitalist, pro-socialist music to the manstream without compromising their principles.

The Redskins are amazing!  I would also add Boikot from Spain and Banda Bassotti from Italy, which are both really good red ska/punk bands.  Camarada Kalashnikov is a really good hardcore band.  If you like grindier, faster stuff, the new album from Bring Down the Hammer is really good.  Also, some comrades from the WIL in the US are in a band called Workers' United Front, which has their first album up for download at http://music.download.com/workersunitedfront .  I could list more, but that's enough for now.

some comrades?

Am I being accused of shameless self-promotion? ;)

[jesuschristdotcom]

Hi comrades;
I'm not that big a fan of punk, but I do like all forms of music. For socialist based punk Redskins is pretty good, especially considering how rare it was for 80's skinheads to be 'red'. They were one of the first, if not the only, band in recent times to bring anti-capitalist, pro-socialist music to the manstream without compromising their principles.

The Redskins are amazing!  I would also add Boikot from Spain and Banda Bassotti from Italy, which are both really good red ska/punk bands.  Camarada Kalashnikov is a really good hardcore band.  If you like grindier, faster stuff, the new album from Bring Down the Hammer is really good.  Also, some comrades from the WIL in the US are in a band called Workers' United Front, which has their first album up for download at http://music.download.com/workersunitedfront .  I could list more, but that's enough for now.

some comrades?

Am I being accused of shameless self-promotion? ;)

that would be the case, yes

[jhon]

i like punk music too.
it is one of my favorites.

[Paula Marx]

I love rock music, including punk - the Beatles, the Cure, Deep Purple, Film, Hausers, Kud Idijoti, Pankrti, Led Zeppelin, Partibrejkers, the Ramones - but I also like some country and some classic.
I hate turbo folk, it occupated whole Balkan, so there is no place without that dread here.