Takeover of other forums

[P.O.U.M]

I have a group ready on revleft, and I have been thinking about leading a group of ten or so over to this site called 'stormfront' which my comrades on revleft inform me is full of nazi trash.

Revleft has to many bad elements in it. You may very well have Stalinist and Maoist trash in your debats witht the capitalists. And if they defend Stalin and Mao which the Maoists will your point will most likely be flat out rejected. Hell, the maoists, which I have repeatedly pointed out bad Stalin facts will always come up with some asinine idea that Stalin still did good.

And also, WHAT THE FUCK would be the point of going to a nazi trash site????

Honestly, what the hell do you plan to prove? You are not going to accomplish anything or than getting really pissed off at the fact that living breathing people think that way. I have debated with white power, and I feel stupider coming out of that conversation. Debating with such reactionary bullshit will get you no where. It is better to focus, especially right now when socialist ideas are so hated, on those who are willing to listen. Those are willing to fight to see another world. Not debate with those fucking worthless beings who should quit life to begin with.

Nazis still think they are skinheads. If I have to, I will explain the difference between a skin and a nazi. I have just explained it so much it gets repetitive and annoying. But for clarifaction I will. Nazis still think they are the "true" skins and will deny all othe skins. The "Skinheads Against Racial Prejuidice", "Anarchist Skins And Punks", "Red and Anarchist Skinheads" all skinhead crews which are completly against nazism in eveyway. THough the SHARPS have many nazi tendencies, they just dont hate based on colo(u)r.

[redprophet]

I think it would be a futile gesture to try to convince fascists of the validity of socialism. It would be similar to a group of nazis coming onto this site.  It would be amusing to watch, yes, but I doubt that you'd get a single contact from it.  It would be a waste of time that could have been spent on more fruitful work.

[anomaly]

Yes, I understand your objections and have actually changed my mind. I've decided to crush my tiny home forum: debatepolitics. It is amazing, I see a new MArxist meber there almost every day. A planned socialist invasion of the site would give our socialist side the advantage. BTW, the invasion to stormfront previously planned was just to piss some nazis off...it was jsut for fun, you know, until I can devote more time to these things during the summer months.

Also, I'd think twice before criticizing revleft too badly. The majority there are not Stalinists or Maoists. I have, though, made my peace with the Maoists and Stalinists on that site. Although I hate their ideology, I realize that, as a promoter of unification, I should act upon my whims. These confused individuals still hate capitalism and can be powerful allies, much like the anarchists. As long as we socialists maintain our mumerical advantage over these groups, we have the upper hand. But until we have succeeded in establishing socialism somewhere in the world, I suggest we use Maoists to our advantage. They hate capitalism as much as anyone. Most everyone on that site is anti-despotism, so they aren't quite as harmful as you'd imagine.

BTW, is revleft down today, or what's going on?

[P.O.U.M]

The RCP i can now handle. It is the MLM maoists. Those are the most reactionary pyschotic group of people ever.

[Holocaustpulp]

I will never debate with Nazis, for they are backward and sick people who thrive off of hate. Anomaly, I'll happily join your assault on the mentioned forum. Also, anarchists are more respectable than Maoists or Stalinists - only moderates of the latter group can I tolerate.

- HP

[anomaly]

As long as these Maoists and Stalinists are themselves not favorable to forms of despotism I consider them allies. I have objections with anyone who is favorable of tyranny. Interestingly, I've noticed that most Maoists do not follow in their idol's footsteps and are very democratic. The folks on revleft are our comrades, and should be treated as such.

[Holocaustpulp]

I've joined revleft at your mention of it, and it is a good site. I haven't encountered the moaists too much, yet I have run into a Stalinist who claimed the USSR was socialist. Ironically, when I mentioned that the Soviet Union wasn't democratic, and that democracy was inherent in socialism, he agreed. Why do they still consider themselves followers of totalitarians then?

- HP

[anomaly]

Originally posted by Holocaustpulp
I've joined revleft at your mention of it, and it is a good site. I haven't encountered the moaists too much, yet I have run into a Stalinist who claimed the USSR was socialist. Ironically, when I mentioned that the Soviet Union wasn't democratic, and that democracy was inherent in socialism, he agreed. Why do they still consider themselves followers of totalitarians then?

- HP

There is only one Stalinist on that site I've encountered, and I think my tantrum directed at him firghtened him away. The Maoists are much more agreeable and wise, and have earned my respect. I think they simply respect Mao, and appreciate what he attempted to do rather than what he actually did do. Perhaps also they sympathize with his guerrila movement, and his ideas on guerrilla warfare. But they seem to be anti-totalitarian, and of that I am glad.

[P.O.U.M]

The Maoists are much more agreeable and wise, and have earned my respect.

Only flyby from revleft is tolerable. He is on my good side. But try going to the RCP forum. Those Maoists are annoying. Especially one who posts as "Flyby2." He does not debate. He will selectively pick qoutes and call you a reformist repeatedly.

I think they simply respect Mao, and appreciate what he attempted to do rather than what he actually did do.

And what Mao did too.

[anomaly]

Originally posted by P.O.U.M
Only flyby from revleft is tolerable. He is on my good side. But try going to the RCP forum. Those Maoists are annoying. Especially one who posts as "Flyby2." He does not debate. He will selectively pick qoutes and call you a reformist repeatedly.

 

And what Mao did too.

So you suggest that Maoists aree with Mao's murders? What RCP forum?

[P.O.U.M]

I think it is http://www.awip.proboards.23 (Official RCP forum) If that is not it, ask "Flyby" the "ok maoist."

Most Maoists do not see Mao as a "murder." Kinda like Trotskyists who do not see Lenin and Trotsky as the bad dictator the anarchists claim we are. Just we have this handy little thing called facts on our side.

[anomaly]

Thanks for the site. Is it Maoist or something, or just socialist?

Actually, apparently that's not the site. I'll ask some comrades on revleft.

[P.O.U.M]

Most Maoists do not see Mao as a "murder." Kinda like Trotskyists who do not see Lenin and Trotsky as the bad dictator the anarchists claim we are. Just we have this handy little thing called facts on our side.

I need to stop typing when Im drunk. I have no idea what I meant to say here.

But Maoists do not see Mao as a bad dictator or murderer. Just like some Stalinists do not see Stalin as an asshole.