Stainists Among Us

[Swimmingadict]

http://antitrot.tripod.com/main.htm I found this when I was surfing, what should we do?

[marx_was_right]

I take it you meant "Stalinists" although I agree many of them are a "stain" on the movement :D

The PLP are a Stalinist sect, this anti-trot website is old, just like the lies contained on it's pages. You won't find many PLP/Stalinists in real life, the most hardcore nutter elements congrigate online (they are not active in real life) praising people like Saddam Hussein who they regard as some sort of anti-imperialist hero.

There is nothing that really "needs to be done" against these people as they are so irrelevant anyway.

[Iskra]

there just a weird little fringe, stalinists have always omfused me, they share some of our ideas, but then support evil dictators like stalin saddam and kim jong il.

[ACE]

It's not that hard to understand, dictatorships wouldn't exsist if it people were fascinated by them, it's the "Cult of personality".  Folks love to talk about and think about "Great Men" even when those great men do evil things, like Stalin.  The purges were a horrible perversion of what the Bolshiviks were trying to acheive, yet they were also highly effective for Stalin to achieve his ends.  Stalin beleaved in killing anyone he wanted whenever he wanted and people find this fascinating.  People get turned on by evil and ill deeds.  It's taking peoples natural inclination to have distain for those who don't agree with your way of thinking and taking it to the maximum level of action, I.E. "If they don't agree with you Kill them all!"  This way of thinking feeds into the evil desires of the human subconsious and weak minded individuals have trouble abstaning from these evil desires.  That's part of how a cult of personality can be established and why it's the weak minded who tend to cling to evil saditic tyrants and evil men.  You know Stalin was always against the "Intelectuals" yes all those Thinkers had to be Purged with all their fancy thinking and crap.......

[P.O.U.M]

Wow... this is weird.

http://antitrot.tripod.com/main.htm

They find need to "infiltrate" the WIL?

[ACE]

not really, ideas are VERY powerful things Like I was saying about how Stalin had the "Intelectuals" purged it was because he thought that he could dissolve the power of ideas by actively persecuting those who developed them.  We develop ideas here those idea take root in the masses we become extremely powerful men.  Why do you think persuasive leaders end up having millions of fanaticle followers?  The power of IDEAS!  People hear and idea they like and they rally behind it and sometimes they mount revolution and topple the social order.  So you shouldn't find it that odd, you're dealing with very powerful force when you develop apon radicle ideas.

[willball1987]

Have a look on the 'humor' section..

"If there's one thing Trots hate, it's humor.  So let's have a few laughs on them!"

What's this thread about, if not finding humor in this Stalinist website  ;)

[Volkov]

Wow... this is weird.

http://antitrot.tripod.com/main.htm

They find need to "infiltrate" the WIL?

They want to infiltrate our organization?  Like those cretins would even bother getting away from their beloved Internet sites.  Not to mention that they would be expelled in a few milliseconds.

They claim that we are suffering from "Trotskyitus."  How is that funny?  They are suffering from mental incompetence caused by their own megalomania!

[Pie]

Have a look on the 'humor' section..

"If there's one thing Trots hate, it's humor.  So let's have a few laughs on them!"

What's this thread about, if not finding humor in this Stalinist website  ;)

Their jokes weren't even that funny.

What are 5 trots doing in one phone booth?

Marching against phone bills (or their yearly convention).

You may be a Trot if... you have ever thought about wearing an axe as piece of headgear.

You may be a Trot if... you refer to a recent breakup with a girlfriend as a factional split.

You may be a Trot if... every one of your friends heads his own International.

You may be a Trot if... you have ever argued that stockbrokers or bankers are really proletarians.

You may be a Trot if... your mom shouting "dinner's ready!" has ever prevented a split in your Party

You may be a Trot if... anyone has ever told you that your newspaper makes great lining for litter boxes.

You might be a Trotskyite if you get stuck on the highway because you thought you could keep driving your car after it ran out of gas.

You might be a Trotskyite if your closest ties to the proletariat are your friends working at Starbucks.

You might be a Trotskyite if you easily get "stage" fright. (har har)

You might be a Trotskyite if you refer to the suburbs as "the
ghetto."

You might be a Trotskyite if you would join a cult if it weren't for the religious parts.

You might be a Trotskyite if your hands are always covered with red newspaper ink.

You might be a Trotskyite if you refer to sex as "deep entrism."

You might be a Trotskyite if you think Fridha Kahlo was actually hot.

You might be a Trotskyite if you try to justify everything by saying "oh, but that happened before 1917."

You might be a Trotskyite if your in an organization with 10 people that broke off from an organization that had 20 people after that orgranization split from another organization that had 40 people which had a schism a week prior with an organization that had 80 people after it turned to Trotskyism.

You might be a Trotskyite if you know everything there is to know about web design but absolutely nothing about Marxism. 

I guess Stalinists have a poor sense of humor. Who understands it?

[chelita]

Although I would agree with the sentiment here, you might want to look at the follwoing article.  An interpretation worth discussing, at least.

http://eserver.org/clogic/2005/furr.html

[redjordi]

This guy Furr argument that Stalin was really a democrat mainly on the 1936 constitution. The "argument" is so laughable that it is not really worth replying to. But you can read what Trotsky had to say about this constitution:

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1936-rev/ch10.htm

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