I am laughing so my spleen comes out my nose.

[Vespucci]

Things don't move by thought.

Oh no? How do you know that? There are plenty of documented psychic phenomena out there, and unless you're going to attribute them to some mystical, godlike force then the only possible reason is that they represent a part of science not yet properly investigated.

Scientests are not to act like clergy men and band unorthodox ideas or their perveyors as "Heritics".

Quite. Such bloody-mindedness simply serves to slow down progress into the true potential of humankind, and is something I'd expect to find among Establishment scientists.

[orwellcommie]

The reason they don't collect the 1milion is that there is no limit to what one can dismiss with blind skepticism, it sort of like arguing with the people who deny man's landing on the moon, you can take them to cape canaveral to watch a space shot IN PERSON and they will still insist that men never landed on the moon, to this type of person I simply refer back to my set of favorite quotes:

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INNOVATION

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"... after a few more flashes in the pan, we shall hear very little more of Edison or his electric lamp. Every claim he makes has been tested and proved impracticable."
[New York Times, January 16, 1880]


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AEROSPACE

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"Professor Goddard ... does not know the relation of action to reaction ... he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in our high schools"
[New York Times, January 13, 1920]

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"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
[Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895]

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"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value."
[Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre]



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COMPUTATIONAL SYSTEMS

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"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
[Thomas Watson, chairman IBM, 1943]

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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
[Ken Olson, Chairman and founder Digital Equipment Corp., 1977]

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"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
[Bill Gates, 1981]



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ENERGY

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"Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of time.
Nobody will use it, ever." [Thomas Edison, 1889]



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"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will."
[Albert Einstein, 1932]

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"The energy produced by the atom is a very poor kind of thing. Anyone who expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is talking
moonshine" [Ernst Rutherford, 1933]


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MUSIC

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"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out."
[Decca Recording Co. turning down the Beatles, 1962]


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ASTRONOMY

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"I would sooner believe that two Yankee professors lied,
than that stones fell from the sky"
[Thomas Jefferson, on hearing the report of a meteorite fall]


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MEDICINE

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"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction."
[Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872]

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[Volkov]

Originally posted by orwellcommie
The reason they don't collect the 1milion is that there is no limit to what one can dismiss with blind skepticism, it sort of like arguing with the people who deny man's landing on the moon, you can take them to cape canaveral to watch a space shot IN PERSON and they will still insist that men never landed on the moon, to this type of person I simply refer back to my set of favorite quotes:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

INNOVATION

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"... after a few more flashes in the pan, we shall hear very little more of Edison or his electric lamp. Every claim he makes has been tested and proved impracticable."
[New York Times, January 16, 1880]


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AEROSPACE

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Professor Goddard ... does not know the relation of action to reaction ... he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in our high schools"
[New York Times, January 13, 1920]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
[Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895]

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"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value."
[Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre]



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

COMPUTATIONAL SYSTEMS

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
[Thomas Watson, chairman IBM, 1943]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
[Ken Olson, Chairman and founder Digital Equipment Corp., 1977]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
[Bill Gates, 1981]



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ENERGY

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of time.
Nobody will use it, ever." [Thomas Edison, 1889]



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will."
[Albert Einstein, 1932]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"The energy produced by the atom is a very poor kind of thing. Anyone who expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is talking
moonshine" [Ernst Rutherford, 1933]


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MUSIC

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out."
[Decca Recording Co. turning down the Beatles, 1962]


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ASTRONOMY

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"I would sooner believe that two Yankee professors lied,
than that stones fell from the sky"
[Thomas Jefferson, on hearing the report of a meteorite fall]


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MEDICINE

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction."
[Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872]

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But these things have been measured by numerous, credible observations and such.  

Also, how can a brainwave inside of the cranium go outside of it and bend the spoon?  There needs to be some kind of force to bend it.  Also, why do they always bend spoons?  Why not knives and forks for good measure, and thick things like steel rods for the experts?

[orwellcommie]

Did you check the link?  Do a web search, science hasn't found an explanation for it but they still do it.  Same is true with remote viewing.  You have a physic draw exact and precise images of places where they have never been (infact the U.S. DOD used them to give exact detailed illustrations of secret Soviet facilities, that have proved accurate) and they recreate them with great clarity.  They haven't been able to use their claivoyence to locate osama Binladen but it's been used extensively on both sides. Can science explain how these people see places they've never been to?  Well no?  Does this stop the governments from using them? Well ofcourse not.

[Swimmingadict]

Ok, this is really pathetic. Look at the TLL, they spend their time monitoring chatrooms and message boards for gossip , a mass organization my ass. I agree I am laughing so har my spleen comes out of my nose!

[P.O.U.M]

Perhaps these people with whatever special talent they have, have some how tapped into a part of their brain that the average person does not use. A massive percentage of our brain is not used, somewhere around 95%. What if these people were able to use alittle more brain power than we are able. They would be able to do thing's we couldnt even to begin to comprehend logicaly.

Not saying this is true in anyway, but its food for thought.

[orwellcommie]

well my understanding of spoon bending is that is works best in a lively spoon bending party as it were.  So it's not like an isolated event saw ufo spotting where it's one person living alone in the middle of no where but where "Spoon bending Clubs" form get together and have spoon bending parties.  I suppose that lends some creditbility to it but like I was saying before if one is so inclined one can dismiss EVERYTHING through skepticism, like the people who deny men ever landed on the moon.  My position isn't so much that I'm a hard core believer in spoon bending as a human capability but rather I'm very opposed to the frame of mind that denies it's possibility out of hand simply because we don't know how it could be possible.  That to me is the foundation of ignorance and should be apposed at every turn.  Nothing is impossible only things exist that we have yet to uncover the secrets of what makes them possible.

[roodzwijntje]

Originally posted by orwellcommie
well my understanding of spoon bending is that is works best in a lively spoon bending party as it were.  So it's not like an isolated event saw ufo spotting where it's one person living alone in the middle of no where but where "Spoon bending Clubs" form get together and have spoon bending parties.  I suppose that lends some creditbility to it but like I was saying before if one is so inclined one can dismiss EVERYTHING through skepticism, like the people who deny men ever landed on the moon.  My position isn't so much that I'm a hard core believer in spoon bending as a human capability but rather I'm very opposed to the frame of mind that denies it's possibility out of hand simply because we don't know how it could be possible.  That to me is the foundation of ignorance and should be apposed at every turn.  Nothing is impossible only things exist that we have yet to uncover the secrets of what makes them possible.

What are you talking about? Spoon bending??! You keep on posting off-topic. Please stop it.

[orwellcommie]

sorry about that, just seems like the current topic faded away and that this other topic took center stage.  Surely you'd find the idea of being able to bend solid metal with the power of ones own mind astounding to say the least wouldn't you?  Heck when I heard about Spoon bending I was like WOW I'd love to be able to do that.  I think what happend was some one brought up the topic of eastern mysticism and that went into folks talking about the use and manipulation of "CHI" which has scientific basis, then from there it when to the topic of spoon bending. It was all quite harmless I think but I see you want to talk about the main topic of this thread?

[RedVanguard9]

Have you seen the Latest from Sidney Martinez?
Looks like he's re emerged writing some sort of Metaphysical Socialist polemics...  I'm not quite sure what to think about this particular article either where he claims Dialectical Materialism is not a complete picture...

It Came from here a myspace they setup they look pretty big from what i can tell...
http://www.myspace.com/gnosticpagan


Notes on Dialectical Neutralism

By Sidney Martinez

It is here that we will define and put forth one of the first 3 components of this new revolutionary theory we define as Directivism. Directivism is neither traditional Marxist Communism nor is it Syndicalism. Yet like orthodox Marxism it bears three key components within its makeup. Before we delve further into what this new theory is, we must first examine its origin. At best, this theory is a compilation of observations and still in its developmental stages.

 

 

Nonetheless, it must be defined if only stated as a clever pre-set of notations. First, there is Dialectical Materialism, which can be thought of as Dialectical Negativism. We derive the term Dialectical Negativism from Frederick Engel's who said, "Negation of The Negation Negates the Negation". To him and Marx (Though disputed by some) it was believed that a set of Negative Polarities could create any chain of events in time or space. They designated the polarity of all materialist occurrences with an absolute negative pole. The further basis for this seems to be early Situationism, which is built upon Conflict Theory. The theory states that motion in space has, and always will have as its driving force, a set or chain of confliction.

 

 

On the other side is Dialectical Positivism. This term was actually coined from modern Idealism and Empirical philosophy. It should be obvious, to anyone that is able to combine the two poles of Dialectics together, just how they match up. Though, until now, no one has ever presented Dialectical Positivism in this manner. Allow us to be the first to do so by first noting that, "Posation of the Posation Posates the Posation"(Making it the polar opposite of Engel's Dialectic). To posate simply means to reconcile. This makes sense to us when we apply the Yin and Yang to it in this particular universal concept. It also helps us build the archetype.  The universal here is not complicated if we see where both poles of Dialectics interlock with each other. As one flows, so does the other. So while conflict occurs below, so does unification above. We use unification as a universal concept in this sense, not as ideal. As a universal concept it can also be understood that, what is above is identical to what is below, what is below is identical to what is above, and all is a universal! This of course draws from Hermetic Philosophy to help us understand what our theory is. So it shall be set forth here, both origin and use of our new Dialectic.

 

 

On the origins of the Dialectic

 

 

"Being and non-being produce each other. Difficult and easy complement each other. Long and short define each other. High and low oppose each other. Fore and aft follow each other."-Lao Tzu

 

 

It starts with the very nature of consciousness and the universe itself. Dialectics comes from Taoism. It seems the Taoists were the first to attempt understanding the nature of existence. Not only existence, also including the motion in our universe. On one hand it was a Universal for its time. On the other it did lack some aspects that only modern science can offer us. However, science lacks the spirit that alchemy naturally already contains. If we look at Alchemy, which is the first practical material application of the Dialectic, we see the transmutation. To transmute is to combine two unlike forces causing a transmutation, which then leads to an outcome. This is the first practical application of Positivism in the sense that we see the, "Posation of two elements the transmutation (or Posation) to generate (or Posate) a result (or Posation).

 

 

This was the essence of Alchemy, which was the first attempt to understand motion in space. It was pure Idealism, Ungrounded idealism in fact, however for the time that idea was advanced. It was not yet a Universal in the sense that it had its opposing side to make it Universal, at least in its scientific application to the development of productive forces. Consciousness creates reality but consciousness is also created by reality. The interlinking cannot be denied. All things in our universe have opposite poles. The universe itself works this way also. For instance there are two types of matter, matter that can be viewed by the naked eye, that which we call "Light Matter" (matter that is physical, and which reflects light). There is also of course that which we call "Dark Matter" (matter that is not physical, and does not reflect light).  When Alchemy reached the West and Plato, things started to Change. Of course Plato has often at times been misinterpreted since modern philosophy can at best only canonize him from the perspective of Materialism or Idealism. There is no Neutrality in the Canonization of Plato, or a Neutralist platform to stand on for Canonization.

 

 

"You have to imagine, then, that there are two ruling powers, and that one of them is set over the intellectual world, the other over the visible. I do not say heaven, lest you should fancy that I am playing upon the name. May I suppose that you have this distinction of the visible and intelligible fixed in your mind?" -Plato

 

 

Plato can actually be understood when canonized from the view point of Dialectical Neutralism in a different manner. Of course this Dialectic can also be understood as Dialectical Monism in a sense. The difference however is to develop true Neutralism out of it to make it a tool for change. Dialectical Monism is a tool for re understanding the mechanics of physical reality. Neutralism on the other hand is the practical application of Monism so in a sense one can say Dialectical

 

 

Neutralism is one in the same as Dialectical Monism. On the other hand we can say the two are completely unrelated. Of course, Dialectical Monism is not yet placed in a workable place, and requires the Neutrality aspect of Dialectical Neutralism. Monism may well be the starting point with the double polarities Dia-Nega and Dia-Posa emerging. Though they emerge at the same time they are opposite opposing polarities. The center point in between the two polarities works both sides. One can simply think of it, as whatever you do to one side you must do to the other. This is common in basic mathematics, the working of both sides of an equation. This new Dialectic is exactly that, and can be thought of in the same sense. Though we call it new it is only because of serious misinterpretations of Plato that we must recover this original Dialectic understood by The Greek and Romans alike. The church had much to do with burying this true enlightened understanding of our reality. As we all know, Abrahamic faiths do not advocate personal self enlightenment they never encourage meditation or tai chi for example. They encourage nothing related to personal self-empowerment nothing but strict guidance by dogma.

 

 

"For the subject matter is not exhausted by any aim, but only by the way in which things are worked out in detail; nor is the result the actual whole, but only the result together with its becoming. The aim, taken by itself, is a lifeless generality; the tendency is a mere drift which still lacks actuality; and the naked result is the corpse which has left the tendency behind." -GFW HEGEL from Phenomenology of Spirit

 

 

Many others came before Hegel, but to go fully into all of them would require a book. For the sake of length restrictions we can summarize quite briefly. It was many years after Plato before the Dialectic was understood the same way as it had been before the church. Many will claim Hegel was not a political person. His system was not worked into a doctrine for liberation. Hegel however laid out the blueprints for people to come along who wanted to uplift their own spirits and minds. To Hegel spirit was memory. Including the memories within that may have been a previous factor in reality. All things, which have once existed, leave their imprint on reality in one way or another (Collective Consciousness/ Unconsciousness). Memory becomes the cause of action while in some cases becomes a reaction to things, which still exist in reality. As a result that which is to come has an essence all its own in advance of its own existence. One can go further to say it has energy attached to it and for all practical purposes this may just be the case.

 

Of course this doesn't change the state of existence for that which is coming into being. The non-being aspects while posated may contradict both ideas by their becoming factor. However Hegel only saw the Unity of Opposites or the Posating Factors of The Dialectic, which essentially brought the Dialectic out of its monist state. Similar to matter the Dialectic also has 4 states. The 4th is neutral to the first 3 yet it encompasses aspects of the first 3 as well. In Matter we see how the 4th state of matter plasma contains aspects of the solid, gaseous, and liquid states. This is just what we see on the Light Matter Spectrum; there is still the topic of the Dark Matter Spectrum (Matter which does not reflect light). Plasma is neither of the first 3, yet it is a neutral state of matter, when compared to the first 3 states of matter. Of course this would imply that one of the 3 former mentioned states gave birth to 2 of the 3 former mentioned. For our purposes we will leave this open for later discussion. This does lead us to see how matter moves 1 into 3 then into 1 again from one that made the first 2, which made it 3. As such, the universe and all physical existence is always expanding and contracting. It's a constant state of flux motion, which remains constant for all things. Even an idea has velocity, and develops mass and density in the collective consciousness.

 

 

"The old teleology has gone to the devil, but it is now firmly established that matter in its eternal cycle moves according to laws which at a definite stage - now here, now there - necessarily give rise to the thinking mind in organic beings." - Frederick Engel's from Dialectics of Nature

 

 

Some would dispute whether Karl Marx himself actually was a Dialectical Materialist. According to one school of thought, Frederick Engel's actually developed the 2 components (2 of the 3 components Lenin defines in his essay called "3 components of Marxism") of Dialectical Materialism and Historical Materialism independent of Marx.

 

 

We can see this point and do note it. However, for our discussion here this point is only worth stating. Engel's flipped around The Dialectic from Hegel and thus applied it only to Material reality (Light Matter).

 

 

He focused less on the essences left by things to be, and things that have been. He more or less strictly tied it to modes of production, as well as class antagonism. This of course eliminated any broader perspectives that could be given on classes. By taking away part of Dialectics, rather then developing the missing component and then fusing it back together with Dialectical Positivism, much was missed. Of the key things missed were the interpersonal connections between people related to the more functionalist perspective on things. In fact, their exists both Production and Function. One has to consider the functionality of a person existing in a social role. Marxism has no soul if it cannot consider the functional aspect of human existence. Engel's was not concerned with the functional role of individuals only with their relation to productive forces.

 

 

As such the functionalism of people's social roles does not simply disappear by being written off. What develop are caste antagonisms within any socio group devoid of functional considerations. Caste antagonisms are only non antagonistic in the primitive communal society, they continue to posate and posate and posate throughout our history thus posating special control groups hiding behind those things negated into existence.

 

 

Dialectical Neutralism and Directivism

 

 

Caste antagonism has been posating groups into class positions for generations. Since societies like, "The Free Masons," do things through the basis of bloodlines they are posating people into positions based on this in addition to social connection. Though Capitalism is not a caste society, the aspect of social interconnections as the means defining social graduation, would remain upon the deletion of classes.

 

 

This would explain truly why all of our revolutions from the past have led to oppressive societies. The problem of caste emergence is still in place. The prerequisites were already there. While class struggle is negating capitalism, castes will posate into place. The socio groups of revolutionary cadre already have developed internal caste antagonism. The failure to acknowledge caste divisions from both Anarchists and Marxists groups are one of the major reasons that both movements will eventually fail humanity. Delving into some of our initial thoughts on Historical Neutralism our key-operating factor is freedom from the disintegration of capitalism. The operator creates as a result, two polarities, Anarchism whether it knows it or not focuses on the functional (The Unification), while Marxism on the other hand focuses on the aspects related to production (The Confliction). Which means neither theory is yet complete. So then from our main operator, the final theory must emerge from the original operator. This final theory, which contains the aspects of the former 3 states, finds itself to be something new. We coin this new theory, Directivism, which comes from the root words "Direct" meaning to guide on a specific course. It also comes from Psychology where a Directive relates to introducing information, content, or attitudes of which the client is not yet familiar. Thus Directivism could be described as a socialist society, guided by enlightened knowledge, and personal self-enlightenment.

 

 

Historically we know that groups like the "Free Masons" have hoarded the enlightened knowledge to themselves. A revolution according to the two previous ideologies will not undo the damage. The knowledge must be taken back from these groups and redistributed out to the masses. This can only be done by the leading factors of the revolution. In almost every previous attempt we've seen leaders who rise out of the lust for power. This factor must be eliminated. Those who lead should be placed on a council of enlightenment after the revolution. Like the ancient council of sages that many tribal societies had. In this day and age it would benefit society in the sense that we would directly enlighten and educate society. Society itself would create the new structure out of itself and the wise would be submitted to a role of public service. The problems of the past Plutocracy directing and managing society from behind the scenes can only be resolved by being negated by something similar. Their replacement by something not secret, which operates in the public eye, would then correct the problems of the past. They would exist until all were at the same level and thus simply fade into society, leaving only a direct democracy with ownership over production in the hands of all people. This is only our initial notation on these matters but we feel we have put forth something evolutionary. We are Directivist and we invite all to join in our movement towards a better world! You should be a Directivist also; we are the new doctrine for revolution and a better tomorrow. Join us today!

[T.K.A.-Denmark]

He's clearly lost any grasp on reality.
"NEW AEON SOCIALIST MOVEMENT", hehehehe. It's just kinda funny, haven't read his piece though, lack of time.

Thought this was especially funny:

"New Aeon Socialist Movement (NASM)
Who we are!
NEW AEON: Represents the goal of the children of the conquering Aeon of enlightened indigo. The concept of Aeons is based on traditional metaphysical & “occult” sources. “New Age” is really just a reworking of the Aeons. We interpret it in the luminaire of Neo-Gnosticism. The New Aeon of Neo-Gnosticism signals a conscious/ unconscious mass directive to replace the destructive tendencies of the “Old Aeon” Abrahamic sects, Patriarchy, Capitalism, Nationalism, Free Masonry, The Illuminati, and Faceless Wars. These allegorical forces have turned the world into a machine of perpetual motion. The paradox generated by this has led to Genocide, Racism, Environmental Destruction, Sexism, Homophobia, and Delightenment.

SOCIALISM: Not just the same old orthodox Atheistic Marxist view but Directivism a new view of Socialism that believes there is more to reality then just what is observable. The struggle for an Egalitarian Global Economic System of socialized production and distribution should not be a strictly atheistic one.

MOVEMENT: An organization of sentient beings who have determined to unite around a set of transitional demands. NASM provides a nucleus for social activists who seek a new socialist perspective and new revolutionary philosophy based on a new Dialectical reasoning that is both Situationist and Functionalist. In addition promotion of self mastery, and gnosis (personal self enlightenment) in combination with the liberating aspects of all non-abrahamic spirituality and metaphysics. "

[RedVanguard9]

They are almost as odd as The Sparts though stranger in some ways

[T.K.A.-Denmark]

Yeah quite odd, a bit posada like imo.
Although Posada did built a real organisation before he got funny ideas, he didn't just proclaim it on the web.

[caesarscook]

For those following the latest in this ridiculous drama, Sidney's "group" seems to be going through a name change (http://www.myspace.com/gnosticpagan) from "New Aeon Socialist Movement" to the "PROMETHEAN WORKERS ASSOCIATION".  Your guess is as good as mine as to what the hell that means. 

And you wouldn't believe it is possible, but his material just keeps getting crazier (e.g., http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=35753566&blogID=312244441) as he gets older, which is incredibly ironic given his organization's supposed goal to "enlighten" the working class. Speaking of which, this quote is particularly mind-numbing:

"Right off, the bat it appears as though you are assuming the capitalist class is not a united class.  You assume that they are divided in exactly the same manner as the working class is.  However, this perspective is wrong since we know the capitalist class is of a more enlightened nature then the working class is."

Absolutely incredible, whatever the hell "of a more enlightened nature" means!  But the following may be the funniest thing I have ever read:

"While researching this topic many things were obvious to this researcher other revelations came about through meditation.  As always the best knowledge is derived by tapping into the collective unconsciousness.  In this day many false bringers of answers will emerge claiming to have the answer.  This is because we are on the verge of a new dawn the indigo children have all been born already and the next 2 generations to be born as predicted by the Celts are coming into being.  The Aztec calendar has already cycled back to its beginning and the Mayan Calendar is close to its completion.  While these things predictions may be called mystical they are in fact the result of an advanced understanding of mathematics, astronomy, and the structure of the universe.  The bibles so called great revelation is just drawing off of the predictions made by others centuries earlier.  Would have been nice if they gave credit to the earlier Pagan religions for making their predictions possible rather then burning them at the stake.  But that's been the method of the Illuminati from the get go.  Steal from someone get rid of their culture and commit a little genocide so origins can't be discovered then claim whatever they say is the truth.  They are all about the dyslightenment of the people and the cult of Abraham is about "Submission To The Demiurge".  Yet it doesn't have to be this way we do not have to submit to the great capitalist demiurge of the masons and the Abrahamics.  The less are duped by the dark matrix the less power the illusion has over our lives.  A New Aeon is dawning and we are the conquering children of that New Aeon.  We can empower ourselves and free our Tonalli from the lies and misinformation.  We can be The Luminaire together outside the cave in the light of true existence beyond the bulwark mechanistic same old grind.  We can find higher existence we can reach enlightenment we can free our hearts, minds, and souls from the illusion of a capitalist god and we can stop being guided back towards the same capitalist god we need to be free from by false prophets.  The very tool which is the source of our own plight cannot become the solution to plight it itself caused in the first place.  Its like saying you can fix a broken car with a stick of dynamite.  Together we can be the Faery, Angels, and Valkyre's of light bringing world liberation to a planet of nightmares and dyslightenned existence under a capitalist demiurge."

I'm not going to even bother analyzing either of these rants, as they really speak for themselves.  As you can see, if there was any doubt before, I think we can now safely say that the WIL and the IMT did not lose out when this kid packed up his toys and left.

[caesarscook]

Or wait, did anyone catch this, where he accuses Trotsky of being a Free Mason that is deliberately hiding "half" of the dialectic (whatever the hell that means):

"The problem however is Leon Trotsky actually started out as a Free Mason.  At one point, he stated that Free Masonry gave him the proving ground for the Dialectic.  Of course, the Dialectic as Trotsky put forward was Dialectical Negativism. Which leads one to ask the question if Trotsky took degrees in the craft of Free Masonry why would he only put forward one aspect of the Dialectic?  Since we know the Masonic understanding of the Dialectic to be based on Sacred Geometry, which itself is most like a grand Dialectical understanding of the structure of the universe.  Mechanical and Machine Theories are the close to it and so is Relativity and Special Relativity?  A combination of all these factors in the correct manner would yield Probability Mechanics."

Funny stuff.