The festering wound of civilisation

[Cutter]

Consider this :

One day your going to die. Its always a question of when.

Lets take the standpoint that all human action is motivated by the need to survive: to find the next meal, to avoid being killed.

Then all this action is motivated by the need to conquer nature.
But nature always has the last laugh, one day, you die, no matter how good your life is, or for most of humanity, how awful.

Lets say that : Civilisation was born out the need to survive, to cheat death for another day, to win the battle against nature.

It is my belief that, with socialism, humanity will no longer be fighting itself, but its task will be to win the fight against nature.
To destroy nature.

For example :

1. The curse of mortality.
2. The enslavement of men and women by the need to procreate.

Mortality everyone understands, no one wants to die. Even more so will this be relevant when the revolution takes place in  few years time (lets face, it wont be long now)

But what do I mean by my second point?

Immediately one might say that humanity has won this battle with contraception. I say this changes little, especially if one considers orgasm as natures reward for procreating, even if we are only manipulating this reward it is symbolic of, again, the enslavement by the need to procreate.

When you see 2 lovers walking down the street, in a delerium of happiness, with a push chair as well, are they being held together by each others personalitys? Or is it simply natures hormones, enslaving them? They are not free by any stretch of the imagination in my opinion.

Now im rapidly becoming comatose as a result of not eaten in 2 days, again this is natures enslavement, the need to stuff your body full of carbohydrates, protein, vitamins and vegatables.

Its says to you : Your body is not your own, you are what you eat and you will eat what ever the "man" tells you to eat, or, in the  socialist future, what ever you "feel" like eating.

Well in my opinion, starving yourself is the ULTIMATE rebellion.
Because starving yourself is a possible precursor to suicide, and the embracement and glorification of death is the ultimate rebellion against civilisation, the point of which is to stave off death and survive a little longer, through collective effort

However, suicide also plays into the hands of nature, who seeks to kill you and destroy you. But at least for a short time at least you can have the pleasure of firmly saying to nature

I AM IN CONTROL OF MY DESTINY
NOT YOU
ME
ME ALONE



Please criticise my profoundly pessimistic outlook so that I may improve and rationalise it further.

[Grave Disorder]

Isn't being bound by a struggle against nature lack of freedom too though? It seems to me the only free one is one who transcends or just accepts mortality and nature.

[Patt]

We should be thankful we have food though. 4000 children in Iraq were dying a day from bad water and no food or medicine.

[Cutter]

"Isn't being bound by a struggle against nature lack of freedom too though? It seems to me the only free one is one who transcends or just accepts mortality and nature."

They are either not aware of it or delude themselves. In my experience. When you talk about death, people give you funny looks, or say they dont want to talk about it.

You dont become free by accepting inevitablity, you are simply "getting on with it" accepting it. Not fighting it, unaware of how insignificant you really are.

Then you become a slave to it. Doomed to seek "happiness"
What is happiness
It is the stupid superficial things people fill their lives with.
Its in the Tv
Its in the drugs
Its in "love making" (read , enslavement)



"We should be thankful we have food though. 4000 children in Iraq were dying a day from bad water and no food or medicine."

I dont see how this is relevant, but it raises interesting points,

I have always wondered why people lament the deaths of children so much.
They being given the mercy of death, and glorified in the "untimeliness of their deaths"

Am I the only one who thinks/knows that life gets steadily worse as you get older?

Am I the only one who feels you should be thankful for an early death, if only to save you from the humiliation of adulthood?

"We should be thankful we have food though"

To whom?

Food is disgusting to me, I resent eating, and want you to see things the way I do, and you to will seek to destroy nature, to crush and strangle the humiliating "will to live".

I hate men.

[Patt]

well...yesh...uhh...damn. I hate to sound like i'm trying too hard. It's just that, what's the point of dying if you have a responsibility with your life? Who's going to help the workers and inform people on what's really going on if you are dead and gone? Yeah, i know it's depressing to look out on the world and see nothing but a bunch of rich old money families with all the power and a middle and lower class with no power or say. And i think it would be depressing if we were a bunch of guys in India or China hearing all this and finally realizing the truth cause their aint nothing you can do about it. But this is the center of power and wealth were all the upward money flow gets sucked in. If you aren't gonna do something about all those people starving, women suffering under mysoginistic dictatorships, and middle class workers just struggiling to get by, who will?

What will become of the youth of today
In a culture blind to its own decay?
- Common Rider

[Grave Disorder]

Cutter, I don't hold life, but I do want to experience it before I die. Wouldn't want to be put through all that misery for nothing would you? You haven't killed yourself yet, I haven't, so what's stopping us? Fear or hope? Does it even matter? I don't want to live forever, but nor do I want to die without knowing what I leave behind. As for happiness, it's not in the things, it's in the person themself. You need to find out what you value and enjoy, and immerse yourself in it, or failing that find a good dealer.
 Some people regard my behaviour as self-destructive. These people don't realise that you have to destroy yourself to truly live.
 As for the desire to procreate, I quite enjoy it. Having your sex drive screwed up by medication and then getting it back gives you a new appreciation for it.